Re: ivomec

[Bette Lamore <woa@stormnet.com>]

Hi Sally
On the Glen Oaks, its a liquid form of yogurt, like a milkshake. My vet
liked it better than probiotics because he said there have been some
foal deaths from those, but never from yogurt. He said to use 60 cc.
morning and evening to prevent scours during the dam's foal heat. I also
use it to keep in friendly bacteria if anyone is on antibiotics. No
runny butts here!
Bette

SL S wrote:
> 
> Hi Bette,
> 
> Yippee...just what I suspected and hoped.  The vets here won't tell anything
> remotely related to off-label use! Yes, I pour on the pour-on Ivomec, making
> sure to get it well distributed down the back and not in one spot.  Had a
> minor bald spot on one horse when I got most of it in one area--it irritates
> somewhat, apparently.  Never a problem when well-placed withers to tailhead,
> though.  This bypasses the GI tract so I'm thinking it doesn't get into the
> manure, and it's so darn easy to apply this way.  PLUS anything lurking on
> the hide is knocked out fast.  I sometimes massage it into the poll and tail
> for ticks--seems to help for awhile.  The pour on stuff was costing me about
> $7/dose, so will check the cost of a 500 cc injectable bottle here.  Bet
> that IS cheaper.
> 
> I've also been wondering about the probiotic issue, since all the probiotic
> labels I've read basically say they have lactobacilli in them just like
> yogurt and buttermilk.  Well, well...thanks for that gem.
> 
> If you can get your vets to tell you about eprinomectin, please pass on the
> info since I know the vet lips are sealed hereabouts.
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Sally
> 
> At 11:56 PM 12/30/99 -0800, you wrote:
> >Hi Sally
> >I was advised by actually 4 vets (one being the famous Charlie Boles,
> >vet to the Olympics) that the injectible Ivermec for cattle (not the
> >Plus) was the same thing as Zymectin and about one third the cost. I buy
> >a 500cc bottle and pull out 10cc with a needle but then take off the
> >needle and shoot it in their mouths. It's great! It's oily so it sticks
> >to their mouths--they  can't spit it out like they can the paste. The
> >bottle cost me under $300 and does 50 horses (which my herd vacillated
> >between 70 and 40 for years until I just got down to 25). Quite a
> >savings at less than $6 a horse compared to $15-18/horse.
> >I also learned that you could give foals (and adult horses) Glen Oaks
> >yogurt (they liked strawberry over raspberry and didn't like banana at
> >all!) for scours and also put SMZs, etc. in it rather than probiotics
> >which were much more expensive. Necessity forced me to find alternatives
> >that worked and yet kept my husband from leaving home over my expensive
> >"habit".
> >BTW When you used the pour-on, did you pour it on? Sounds like a stupid
> >question, huh, but I never assume anything anymore. You never know what
> >works.
> >Bette
> >
> >SL S wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Betty,
> >>
> >> Just curious which formulation of cattle ivermectin you are using on horses:
> >> Are you using injectable 1% Ivomec and giving 10 cc of that IM, or using
> >> pour-on, or are you giving something by mouth?  If so, which type?  Didn't
> >> know about using the injectable stuff orally if that's what you're
> >> doing...although I do use it for heartworm prevention in my dogs.  (Love
> >> beating the pharmaceutical co.s at their game.)
> >>
> >> I've been using the Ivomec pour-on for cattle on my horses with great
> >> results, about half the cost of oral paste ivermectin.  Now the stores
> >> around here are only carrying the new product, eprinomectin, because the
> >> cattlemen do not have to wait a month before slaughtering the animal or
> >> using the milk.  Don't know if the eprinomectin is okay for horses or if it
> >> gets bots...my guess is YES, but no responses to my queries.  I know the
> >> drug company isn't going to reveal that secret if at all possible...but I'm
> >> not finished sleuthing.
> >>
> >> Thanks for info,
> >>
> >> Sally Spangler in Floyd, VA
> >


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