Re: [Fwd: Rice Bran]

[Charlie Thomson <double7@inetworld.net>]

Sorry Susan, I indeed got a little twisted but the reference to my being
more concerned about profit got the hair up on my back.  My biggest problem
is the misinformation about Natural Glo stabilized rice bran and it's
association with raw bran.  It's unfortunate but I have seen many articles
posted on RideCamp that are based on raw bran analysis provided by the NRC
and this prompted my use of the word "hogwash".  Your article just happened
to be the one I ran across most recently and you became the object of my
frustration.  I applaud you for taking the time to contact Natural Glo and I
think you will find the accurate information quite interesting.  Please
accept my apology and trust that my foremost motive is the better health of
horses and not profit.   My passion is horses and I trust yours is likewise.

Best Regards,
Charlie Thomson, 77

Susan Evans Garlinghouse wrote:

> Charlie, I won't bother to point out that your original post was hardly
> the most polite or professional response I've ever seen in my life.  My
> pointing out that you derive income from rice bran, while I do not,
> after your opening gambit referring to my comments as "hogwash" and
> "misinformation" is hardly mudslinging on my part. Your leaping to the
> conclusions that I am a 21 year old kid, present myself to be "an
> expert" on any topic, and/or cannot put two and two together because I
> have not yet finished my PhD is your problem, not mine.  You seem to be
> the only person involved getting into a twist over it.
>
> However, for the benefit of less hotheaded people here on ridecamp, I
> just had a very nice conversation with Judy Reynolds, who is a
> nutritionist for the company that manufactures Natural Glo.  She's
> sending me some data that's available to her but is apparently
> unpublished in any of the journals (and therefore not easily available
> to anyone outside the company) on some of the figures they've obtained
> regarding their product.  I certainly look forward to receiving good
> information from a reasonable source---not someone who feels it more
> important to degrade others because they have a different opinion.
>  I find it especially interesting that she certainly had no problem with
> the fact that I am not a PhD, she was just interested in providing some
> current data.  We had a good time and she certainly seems like a nice,
> knowledgeable and very professional lady.  I told her that if she will
> provide me with data that differentiates her product from the rice bran
> analysis available in the published journals, then I would add or make
> appropriate changes to the article I wrote.  After our conversation, it
> really hasn't yet greatly changed any of my basic feelings about rice
> bran, but if Natural Glo is a different animal, then I'll say so.
>
> I am certainly not out to do an unearned hatchet job on rice bran, and
> Judy understood that, Charlie.  It's unfortunate that you do not, since
> you represent the product at the public level and sure don't seem to be
> exercising all the people skills on behalf of Natural Glo that you could
> be on this rather large public forum of horseowners.  Judy said she was
> going to start an online discussion in the next day or so on some of the
> points discussed in my article, and as she seems to be very professional
> and friendly about it, I look forward to a discussion of the points she
> has to make.  Since the purpose of this forum is to disseminate
> information, not judgements about personal things you know nothing
> about, Charlie, her comments should be very interesting and worthwhile.
>
> BTW, everyone, I'm gone for the weekend to go give a talk at the central
> region conference.  I'll be back online on Monday.  See y'all then and
> hope to see some of you this Saturday.
>
> Susan
>
> >
> > Only a small portion of my so called financial benefits are derived
> > from the sale of Natural Glo, my income is based on the brokerage of a
> > wide variety of products and horse training.
> >
> > No need to throw mud Susan but that seems to be part of your rebuttal
> > (but then I was 21 or 22 I thought I knew everything there was to know
> > about horses myself).  Not everything about horses is based on numbers
> > and as I approach 50 years of age I remember a piece of advice given
> > to me by the late Jimmy Williams.  The older you get the more you find
> > out how much more there is to learn about horses.  My response was as
> > *objective* as yours since it seems your an expert on stabilized rice
> > bran and would like to be considered an expert on horses as well.
> >
> > You on the other hand are a student, not a Ph.D. and the nutritional
> > analysis published by the NRC is based on raw bran, exactly where I
> > suspected you got most of your information.
> > The analysis on a bag of NG or SF is mostly what is required by law,
> > they would need to print on the entire bag in order to accurately
> > represent a complete and detailed analysis of Food Extruded Rice Bran.
> >
> > As much as I would love to join in on this lively debate I'm going to
> > defer.  Look for a response to your article posted by others more
> > qualified than yourself in the field of equine nutrition.  I don't
> > have the time nor the inclination to debate nutrition right now, I
> > have more important things to do.  I faxed you a more detailed
> > analysis of Natural Glo stabilized rice bran and as I said in my prior
> > post, please call Natural Glo direct for more information
> > (1-800-680-8254 ~Toll Free) and speak directly with the manufacturer!
> > Right now I am going to get behind a set of ears and feel the wind on
> > my face.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Charlie Thomson,
> > just a horseman.
> >
> > Susan Evans Garlinghouse wrote:
> >
> > > As every word I said in my article (except for the one opinion from
> > > Heidi Smith) is based on results from empirical peer-reviewed
> > > research,
> > > from nutrient analysis published by the National Research Council,
> > > from
> > > clinical texts, and from label copy and nutrient analysis derived
> > > directly from bags of Natural Glo and/or Satin Finish...I look
> > > forward
> > > to your rebuttals to my "hogwash".
> > >
> > > Keeping in mind, of course, that while your livelihood depends on
> > > selling of rice bran, *I* don't derive any finanical benefits
> > > whatsoever
> > > from having published such information.  So who do you think might
> > > be
> > > the most objective person here, Charlie?
> > >
> > > Looking forward to hearing from you,
> > >
> > > Susan Garlinghouse, MS
> > >
> > > guest@endurance.net wrote:
> > > >
> > > > PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO GUEST@ENDURANCE.NET!!!
> > > > You must post replies to the actual sender listed below.
> > > >
> > > > From: Charlie Thomson
> > > > Email: double7@inetworld.net
> > > >
> > > > I just read an article posted by a Susan
> > > > Garlinghouse, MS from Cal Poly regrarding rice bran.  As the
> > > distributor for Natural Glo (for over 8 years) and an avid horseman
> > > and trainer for over 25 all I can say is hogewash.  Ms. Garlinghouse
> > > is oviously looking at the analysis for raw rice bran which is
> > > somewhat like comparing a model A to a brand new Corvette.  Not only
> > > is raw bran unsafe for horses it in no way compares to Food
> > > Extrusion Stabilized Rice Bran, which is what Natural Glo and Satin
> > > Finish contain.  Be on the lookout for a response to this article by
> > > a PHD and I encourage all to call the toll free number for Natural
> > > Glo (1-800-680-8254) and get facts, not someones misinformation.
> > > Monsanto Corp. just paid a sizable amount of money to bring Food
> > > Extrusion rice bran to the human consumption market and the last
> > > time I checked they had more than a couple white coats working for
> > > them.  Rice bran is moving to the human consumption market in a big
> > > way as a direct result of it's use with horses.  I'm not comparing!
> > > >  the nutritional needs of humans to horses, what I am saying is
> > > that there are components in Natural Glo that can only enhance the
> > > health of anything that eats!  Used with knowledge Natural Glo can
> > > be dialed into any feeding program with safe and effective results.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards, Charlie Thomson, Double 7 Equine Products,
> > > double7@inetworld.net