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Corky,
The idea of making your horse a LITTLE foot sore to make them pay =
attention is ridiculus.
I hope that you take your shoes off when you walk on gravel to make you =
see what a dumb idea that is.
If you will advise more time in the saddle to help the horse and not try =
to fix it with pain you'll get farther. A horse needs time to learn =
things and those that have no time should not take short cuts that cause =
pain. If you can't do it pay someone who can.
Joy
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ridecamp-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 547
Today's Topics:
Re: teaching a horse to be sure-foot [ Horsestwo@aol.com ]
Scratches info [ krisolko@juno.com (Kristen L =
Olko) ]
July's EN Parting Shot [ Jennifer Heim =
<JHEIM@gunder.com> ]
Re: July's EN Parting Shot [ Merryben@aol.com ]
saddle pads [ guest@endurance.net ]
Warbles?? [ kjz2@juno.com (Karen J =
Zelinsky) ]
Re: teaching a horse to be sure-foot [ "Bonita B. Young" =
<corky@foothill.n ]
Re: Warbles?? [ Merryben@aol.com ]
Re: Warbles?? [ CMKSAGEHIL@aol.com ]
Re: Faster completion time =3D Lower H [ CMKSAGEHIL@aol.com ]
ride bras [ "i452601" <lth@thegrid.net> ]
Re: Warbles?? [ rides2far@juno.com (Angela C. =
McGhe ]
Re: Warbles?? [ LABUP@aol.com ]
Re: Warbles?? [ rides2far@juno.com (Angela C. =
McGhe ]
Re: Warbles?? [ Julie Coats =
<Julie_Coats@ncsu.edu> ]
feed question [ "Becky Huffman" =
<hhcc1@htcomp.net> ]
Re: feed question [ Truman Prevatt =
<truman.prevatt@nets ]
Santa Cruz Horseman's Association [ guest@endurance.net ]
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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:16:34 EDT
From: Horsestwo@aol.com
To: guest@endurance.net
Cc: ridecamp@endurance.net
Subject: Re: teaching a horse to be sure-footed
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In a message dated 7/9/98 1:15:38 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
guest@endurance.net writes:
<< can't have her wandering on a narrow path. >>
I'm sure you've heard the expression "just do it." The horse is =
perfectly
capable of taking itself up or down the trail without you to guide its =
every
step. Of course, you must be in control (deciding) what speed and =
whether you
need to go off the path because of safety issue but in general stay out =
of the
horse's way.
I know where you're coming from because I used to try to guide my =
horse's
every step but it got me into more trouble! Once I learned to relax and =
trust
the horse would take care of itself I was able to focus on staying out =
of its
way on steep terrain.
If the horse is wandering all over the place on easy terrain then you =
need to
work on getting the horse to listen to the reins and focus on the work =
at hand
. moving down the trail. Knowing how to get the horse to maneuver =
under
saddle is invaluable for opening/closing gates or negotiating downed =
timber,
etc.etc. but shouldn't be used constantly when going down the trail to
determine where it should place its feet. Many times it seems as though =
the
horse hasn't seen the rock or rut or tree root so we try to guide it and =
cause
the horse to lose its balance or stumble. As long as there aren't any
physical problems (feet too long) the horse will learn to negotiate the
terrain just fine. Just get out there and do it!
Melanie in AZ
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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 17:08:11 -0700
From: krisolko@juno.com (Kristen L Olko)
To: ridecamp@endurance.net
Subject: Scratches info
Message-ID: <19980709.170812.3406.1.krisolko@juno.com>
Thanks for the scratches help.
Could I mix everyone's ideas and get a really good remedy?
What about desitin, furacin, DMSO, and nitrafurazone ? Clean, dry=20
and then wrap. Sound good or is there a combo in there that's bad?
Tahnks for the help. I've been cleaning, drying and using the purple
red gel (Benz.....).
Another question. The other 3 legs have dried areas behind the pasterns
as well.
Not like the 1st. Not sore. I put petroleum jelly on those to moisten
them up. If
they're not sore, should I still treat them anyway? I've never had a
problem with
this stuff before. I have always washed and then let her air dry.
Kris
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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 17:00:45 -0700=20
From: Jennifer Heim <JHEIM@gunder.com>
To: ridecamp <ridecamp@endurance.net>
Subject: July's EN Parting Shot
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Anyone else notice the Parting Shot in July's Endurance News?
Isn't that Smokey Killen's derrier gracing the shot? And isn't that
Bandit waiting patiently for his turn at the water? I'd recognize that
saddle, that hat, and those chaplettes anywhere!
Gives you an idea of when the picture was taken: anyone see any
helmets? HRM monitor wires? By god, is that woman in jeans??!!
A great photo to bring back memories.
I miss you, Smokey. He led me thru my first ride 14 years ago.
Jen (#5440) & the Sunman (#10781)
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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 20:53:18 EDT
From: Merryben@aol.com
To: ridecamp@endurance.net
Subject: Re: July's EN Parting Shot
Message-ID: <4662cdac.35a56600@aol.com>
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That's the first thing I noticed in the mag this month. I met Smokey =
when he
yelled at me on the trail unnecessarily and I told him I had an =
ex-husband
named Smokey and I didn't like him either. His mouth dropped open, he =
was
speechless for a bit and then we became friends. He knew I hated to be =
called
Mary and couldn't really remember my name and called me MaryHenry for
years......Maryben Stover
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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:22:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: guest@endurance.net
To: ridecamp@endurance.net
Subject: saddle pads
Message-Id: <199807100122.SAA06142@fsr.com>
PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO GUEST@ENDURANCE.NET!!!
You must post replies to the actual sender listed below.
From: vicki varney=20
Email: vvarney@megalink.net
I have a Sports saddle and i'm unsure what to do about a pad. I am =
concerned about the heat,and the lack of a gullet and am considering a =
skito pad or toklat.I would love to hear others experience and thoughts =
on durability and washability. Has any one tried the thin cotton pad =
protectors underneath? Thanks.
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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 21:22:52 EDT
From: kjz2@juno.com (Karen J Zelinsky)
To: ridecamp@endurance.net
Subject: Warbles??
Message-ID: <19980709.201617.5383.1.kjz2@juno.com>
Okay, so I'm a dummy - what produces marble-sized lumps on the belly of =
a
horse? Those lumps bother her - she kicks up at them, they seem very
itchy. They've been there for maybe a couple of weeks???? The answer =
is
. . . .? ? ? (hint: the dairy farmer next door says it sounds like
Warbles - flies that laid eggs under the skiln. For warbles, he says
when they're about to hatch, or hatching larvae, they squeeze them out.=20
Enough grossness! What can I do now to kill, eradicate, heal my poor
horse? =20
Vet info/non vet info. much appreciated!
Crazy KZ
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Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 17:57:09 -0700
From: "Bonita B. Young" <corky@foothill.net>
To: guest@endurance.net
CC: ridecamp@endurance.net
Subject: Re: teaching a horse to be sure-footed
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Robin,
Cliff Lewis had a trick that I have found helpful to make a hores pay =
attention on almost any trail. He would pull the front shoes so the =
horse would get just a little foot sore. It sure gets there attention, =
and makes them look where they are going. Good luck.
Corky Young
Byrds Valley Ranch
On the Tevis Trail
guest@endurance.net wrote:
> PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO GUEST@ENDURANCE.NET!!!
> You must post replies to the actual sender listed below.
>
> From: Robin Simone
> Email: sbdcgln@ibm.net
>
> I have a 3 year old mare. She's been professionally started and I'm =
doing the
> finishing touches. She responds to leg
> pressure very well when I ask for it, but when there is no leg =
pressure she thinks she can go any where she wants. I'm concerned about =
this on the trail. I can't have her wandering on a narrow path. How do =
you teach a horse to be sure-footed on the trails? I have access to fire =
road trails as well as steep, hilly, and narrow trails. Thanks, Robin
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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 22:20:34 EDT
From: Merryben@aol.com
To: ridecamp@endurance.net
Subject: Re: Warbles??
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In a message dated 7/9/98 6:25:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, =
kjz2@juno.com
writes:
<< What can I do now to kill, eradicate, heal my poor
horse? >>
Ivermectin I think works. It sure gets ride of onchacerca [sp]...MB
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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 23:31:22 EDT
From: CMKSAGEHIL@aol.com
To: Merryben@aol.com, ridecamp@endurance.net
Subject: Re: Warbles??
Message-ID: <ae81a2b5.35a58b0b@aol.com>
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In a message dated 98-07-09 22:22:17 EDT, Merryben@aol.com writes:
<< Ivermectin I think works. >>
Be careful with warbles and ivermectin--the death of the large larvae =
under
the skin can cause anaphylactic shock in some cases...
Heidi
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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 23:34:36 EDT
From: CMKSAGEHIL@aol.com
To: mdicko@ozemail.com.au, ridecamp@endurance.net
Subject: Re: Faster completion time =3D Lower HR
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In a message dated 98-07-07 15:42:43 EDT, mdicko@ozemail.com.au writes:
<< During my recent rides I have noticed that the faster my completion =
time is
the lower my horses pulse rate at completion is. ???
If I hold him back and take longer, his heart rate is usually much =
greater.
At my last ride ( 50 Mile ) I gave him his head and let him run his own =
race
and he finished with his fastest ever time of 4:40 and his lowest ever =
HR of
48bpm at 30 min. Has anyone else noticed this. And any reasons why ?? =
>>
Yes, Mike, as a ride vet I have often noticed this. I find that the =
best
pulse recoveries are often the tail end of the Top Ten and the first =
several
finishers right after. Sometimes I do see good ones farther back, but I =
also
see some not-so-good ones. I think for every horse there is an optimal =
pace,
and if he goes that pace, he will recover the best. That will vary a =
lot from
horse to horse, but sometimes slowing him down from that optimal pace =
can be
almost as stressful as pushing him too fast.
Heidi =20
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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 21:50:56 -0700
From: "i452601" <lth@thegrid.net>
To: <ridecamp@endurance.net>
Subject: ride bras
Message-Id: <199807100445.VAA26162@pop.thegrid.net>
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I want to thank everyone for all the tips and advice on no-bounce
ride bras that really work. I plan to call and order some of these
and try them out. Thanks again for all your help . . . . . you guys
are great!
Linda Hedgpeth and Rosie (The Wonder Brumby)
Greenfield, CA
lth@thegrid.net
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:00:51 -0400
From: rides2far@juno.com (Angela C. McGhee)
To: kjz2@juno.com
Cc: ridecamp@endurance.net
Subject: Re: Warbles??
Message-ID: <19980710.000052.13254.3.Rides2far@juno.com>
Warbles? Oh Boy!!
I'm FINALLY going to get to find out if this works!!! =20
YEARS ago, I read in a Western riding magazine to run hot water on a =
coke
bottle till it's hot, then hold the opening tight up against the horse
and it would "Suck" the Warbles out. Hee Hee. Somehow I just can't
imagine that working. Maybe you could do it manually? Ha. I know a
couple of blonds (No offense Kasemayer) who could probably do a bang up
job of it. =20
Angie
On Thu, 09 Jul 1998 21:22:52 EDT kjz2@juno.com (Karen J Zelinsky) =
writes:
>Okay, so I'm a dummy - what produces marble-sized lumps on the belly=20
>of a horse? Those lumps bother her - she kicks up at them, they seem=20
>very itchy. They've been there for maybe a couple of weeks???? The=20
>answer is . . . .? ? ? (hint: the dairy farmer next door says it=20
>sounds like Warbles - flies that laid eggs under the skiln. For=20
>warbles, he says when they're about to hatch, or hatching larvae, they=20
>squeeze them out. Enough grossness! What can I do now to kill,=20
>eradicate, heal my poor horse? =20
>
>Vet info/non vet info. much appreciated!
>
>Crazy KZ
>_____________________________________________________________________=20
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>at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] =20
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 05:52:03 EDT
From: LABUP@aol.com
To: ridecamp@endurance.net
Subject: Re: Warbles??
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The coke bottle theory could work. The acupunturist (human) I go to =
uses a
similair method to suck out old blood off injuries. (but, no, I won't =
let him
do it to me)
Heats up this little bottle by sticking a flame inside and then sticks =
it on
the subject where it creates a vaccum and sucks the skin (blood and =
warbles
included) into it.
I know this is an important subject but the thought of a coke bottle =
full of
larvae extract really grosses me out. :P
Good luck.
Lori and Keno (the brat)
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:04:12 -0400
From: rides2far@juno.com (Angela C. McGhee)
To: LABUP@aol.com
Cc: ridecamp@endurance.net
Subject: Re: Warbles??
Message-ID: <19980710.084023.8798.1.Rides2far@juno.com>
>I know this is an important subject but the thought of a coke bottle=20
>full of
>larvae extract really grosses me out. :P
But...so long as we're on the subject, here's a little story with a
lesson that's endurance related:
A couple of years ago I went out to Flagstaff as crew for Lynda Corry in
the North American Championships. I took 2 stethoscopes. One was pink
and one was red. The red one was mine, the pink belonged to the driver
of our truck. My red one was working fine, but they had us wearing pink
shirts that day, so I thought I'd match and switched to the other right
before an important vet check. My horse came into the vet check in =
about
7th place. The front runners were still there! I went to check his
pulse and couldn't hear a thing. I tried again, nothing, I was FURIOUS,
we were rushed and couldn't afford to send him in early. I had to run
back and get the red one before I could get his pulse.
Meanwhile, the driver was examining her pink stethoscope trying to =
figure
out what was wrong. She pulled off the ear pieces and just inside, on
both sides, was a big fat larvae! YUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The stethoscope
had been hanging on a bridle hook in the barn and some sort of critter
had laid eggs in the ear pieces. Think about THAT the next time you =
just
grab up your stethoscope and stick it in your ears! :-P
Angie & Kaboot (Maybe you have ear mites mom, let me check) =20
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:44:02 -0400
From: Julie Coats <Julie_Coats@ncsu.edu>
To: rides2far@juno.com (Angela C. McGhee)
Cc: ridecamp@endurance.net
Subject: Re: Warbles??
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I love this thread, reminds me of when I was a kid
on a dairy farm. Our cattle would get warbles and you
can just squeeze them out, the best part is when you step
on them they pop like a cap gun!!!
The things farm kids do for entertainment!!!!
Julie
At 12:00 AM 7/10/98 -0400, you wrote:
> Warbles? Oh Boy!!
>I'm FINALLY going to get to find out if this works!!! =20
>
>YEARS ago, I read in a Western riding magazine to run hot water on a =
coke
>bottle till it's hot, then hold the opening tight up against the horse
>and it would "Suck" the Warbles out. Hee Hee. Somehow I just can't
>imagine that working. Maybe you could do it manually? Ha. I know a
>couple of blonds (No offense Kasemayer) who could probably do a bang up
>job of it. =20
>
>Angie
>
>
>On Thu, 09 Jul 1998 21:22:52 EDT kjz2@juno.com (Karen J Zelinsky) =
writes:
>>Okay, so I'm a dummy - what produces marble-sized lumps on the belly=20
>>of a horse? Those lumps bother her - she kicks up at them, they seem=20
>>very itchy. They've been there for maybe a couple of weeks???? The=20
>>answer is . . . .? ? ? (hint: the dairy farmer next door says it=20
>>sounds like Warbles - flies that laid eggs under the skiln. For=20
>>warbles, he says when they're about to hatch, or hatching larvae, they =
>>squeeze them out. Enough grossness! What can I do now to kill,=20
>>eradicate, heal my poor horse? =20
>>
>>Vet info/non vet info. much appreciated!
>>
>>Crazy KZ
>>_____________________________________________________________________=20
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>>completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno=20
>>at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] =20
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:02:48 -0500
From: "Becky Huffman" <hhcc1@htcomp.net>
To: "ridecamp" <ridecamp@endurance.net>
Subject: feed question
Message-ID: <19980710125527721.AAA320@htcomp.net>
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The 'discussion' on ridecamp got me a worked up over my feed again. I =
have
feed Omelene 200 for YEARS. I have looked and looked for a similar =
quality
grain with a high fat and lower protein, but haven't been able to find
anything that works as well, despite the high protein (14%), fat 4.5%
Yesterday, I talked to a guy that is the nutritionalist for a small =
custom
grain company that will make me anything I want, but with only 5 horses, =
I
can only use about half a minimum order. They have a 'standard' mix =
that I
am going to try, but the guy is very interested in working with me. He
thinks he may have a couple of other customers who would be interested =
in
switching, if we fine tuned this mix for higher, long-haul performance.
I told him about the list and he would like some feed back before he =
starts
mixing, since he has no experience with endurance horses.=20
the current mix:
protein 12%
fat% 4%=09
fiber 10%
main ingredients:
cracked corn 21%
oats 52%
alf pellet 15%
soybean 3.75%
and has a balanced vitamin/mineral.
I told him take out the Alfalfa pellet, raise the fat and lower the
protein.
this is what he is thinking:
To use wheat mids, cracked corn and soy hulls and the main ingredients.=20
and he wanted to know what yall thought about Milo. Apparently, he likes =
it
for some reasons, but has questions about it, he didn't go into detail
about that with me. and (I think) he was talking about mixing with corn
oil instead of molasses.
He thinks he can get about a 11% protein and maybe 8% fat. with this
combination of grains giving a steady, long-lasting 'burn'.
He said the soy hulls are almost identical to beet pulp and don't have =
to
be soaked. I could tell that this is an issue for him. He thinks that =
is
a good product, but it looks bad (cheap) in the grain. He showed me =
some,
it looks like crap off the floor. (but look at beet pulp)
I will print the recent relevant posts from the archives, but any
additional, specific, information would be appreciated.
Thanks, Becky Huffman & Shadowfax
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:33:30 -0400
From: Truman Prevatt <truman.prevatt@netsrq.com>
To: Becky Huffman <hhcc1@htcomp.net>
CC: ridecamp <ridecamp@endurance.net>
Subject: Re: feed question
Message-ID: <35A61827.CD919E4F@netsrq.com>
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Becky,
At Pagans talk at the AERC convention he mentioned soy hulls as being a =
high
fiber component for feed similar to beet pulp. So it sounds like this =
guy may
be onto something. I talked to the Seminole Feed nutritionish about =
endurance
feeds and he said he would like to develop a balanced endruance feed for =
FL,
but he didn't think the demand would support it. He also commented that =
they
would have to use plastic lined bags for feed that high in fat. He has =
looked
at the Penfield feed and likes it but he did say that most people would =
look
at it and say "yech"
--
Truman Prevatt
Brooksville, FL
Mystic "The Horse from Hell" Storm
Rocket a.k.a. Mr. Misty
Jordy a.k.a. Bridger (when he is good)
Danson Flame
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:44:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: guest@endurance.net
To: ridecamp@endurance.net
Subject: Santa Cruz Horseman's Association=20
Message-Id: <199807101544.IAA06959@fsr.com>
PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO GUEST@ENDURANCE.NET!!!
You must post replies to the actual sender listed below.
From: Denise Hall=20
Email: oc_dancer@msn.com
Anyone heading down to Santa Cruz this weekend, 7/10?? My husband and I =
are taking the horses down and wondered if anyone had been able to =
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