My take on this issue is that The American Endurance Ride Conference currently has two divisions, Endurance & LD. Since so many LDers on this list are complaining about their lack of due respect & that they don't like not being called endurance riders, maybe we should label our divisions as Open Endurance (50+ miles), Novice Endurance (for those not wanting to ride Open), & Broken Oldies Endurance (for those of us too rickety and/or unable to ride Open).