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well I was not at this ride but I do know both people that were hurt by this horse and in my opinion a horse that will attack unprovoked and the owner does nothing to correct does not belong at any ride, it is negligence on the part of the owner and they should be held accountable.

What if it was a child that this horse attacked? I'm sorry folks but there is no excuse for what happened anybody that does this sport knows that vet checks and rides in general are crowded and hectick and if you cannot control your animal than you have no business being there and exposing others to what you know will eventually happen your horse will hurt someone.

-----Original Message-----
From: Genevieve
Sent: Jan 28, 2008 7:19 PM
To: Truman Prevatt
Cc: Kristen A Fisher , Ridecamp
Subject: Re: [RC] [RC] Biting Horse at Ride

You're comparing apples to oranges here. Skiing isn't horses. You can't just pick up the ski course and put it out of the way of people where they can't get to it. All you can do is fence it off and hope they don't find a way in. But you CAN keep a dangerous horse at home.

Did you even put up a fence? Was it electric? Did it have barbed wired on it? Or was the course just roped off? Did you take every measure possible to help prevent accidents? If not, I'd say it was your fault. (BTW, I'm not accusing, I know next to nothing about the skiing incidents you've had to deal with, I'm just using this as an example)

The mare's owner could have left the horse at home until she was safe enough to have around people but instead she took her out where she knew there was going to be a bunch of people and other horses that may or may not heed her warnings.

It's YOUR animal. If you are negligent with preventative measures, YOU take responsibility.

It's difficult to tell exactly where to draw the line as far as whether or not someone took every precaution possible, but that's why we have judges. :) Still, in this situation I think it's obvious that the mare's owner could have done a much better job at prevention.

Like someone said, there's a big difference between, "Watch out, my horse bites" and, "Watch out, my horse may lunge and attack you". I would say that after hearing that a horse bites, simply keeping a fair distance away and putting yourself in between the two horses is a fair response to that warning.

On Jan 28, 2008 3:48 PM, Truman Prevatt <tprevatt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Boy this is one of my sore points. I spent three years on the National
Ski Patrol at A Basin in CO. We allowed "out of bounds skiing" when it
was safe. We warned people where it was unsafe to ski and when it was
unsafe.

It was listed on the board at the lodge and we put up ropes to keep
people out. The reason it was unsafe because of avalanche. They went
under anyway. At what point does a person take responsibility for their
own actions? IMO when they are warned and they disregard the warning.
Bottom line we would not go to try to find them and neither would any
search and rescue it was deemed safe by the Forest Service (it was their
land). If they got buried by an avalanche - it became a body rescue when
it was safe. Of course we took the blame because we would not go and try
to find them.

Sorry if one is warned one accepts the consequence for their actions. If
a person is warned of avalanche danger and skis there any way and dies,
well duh. If a person is warned a horse bits and moves in close enough
to get bit - well duh! If a person is warned that a horse kicks and
walks right behind it and lets their horse bit it - well duh. At some
point we have to take responsibility for our own actions and quit trying
to blame others.

The rider was warned, chose to move close enough to the horse to get bit
(by her own admission). At that point it was on her.

Truman

Kristen A Fisher wrote:
> I think it is one thing to say "this animal bites". Most people would think,
> OK, I should not approach, touch, pet or initiate contact with the animal.
> Then if that person sticks its hand in the dog/bird/horse's face - the
> victim is the dumb one.
>
> The problem is, at least the way it was described, the animal initiated
> aggressive contact toward the person. Saying "this horse bites" is not the
> same thing as saying "this animal might lunge and attack you so clear the
> area."
>
> Sure it might have been able to have been prevented - but who bears more of
> the burden for the incident? The person who was supposed to be managing the
> horse IMO.
>
> Kristen
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ridecamp-
>> owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Truman Prevatt
>> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 4:57 PM
>> To: Susan Shook
>> Cc: Ridecamp
>> Subject: Re: [RC] Biting Horse at Ride
>>
>> Susan,
>>
>> I am sorry you got bit - getting bit by a horse hurts. Let me ask a
>> question, however. If this were a 80 pound pit bull dog and the owner
>> told you he bit - would you have taken your horse and yourself near
>> enough that he could lunge and get you? Probably not, they why was it
>> okay to do it with the horse.
>>
>> It was extremely rude of the owner to have not apologized for the
>> incident or to reprimand her horse. However, the way I read what you say
>> is it they were there first and she warned you but you moved into the
>> space anyway.
>>
>> This incident could I think have been prevented.
>>
>> Truman
>>
>> Susan Shook wrote:
>>
>>> During the vet check I took my horse to eat with 3 others, one was the
>>> horse that he came to the ride with. As I approached, one rider told
>>> me to be careful because her horse (mare) bites. Normally I take this
>>> type of warning to mean that the horse would bite other horses, not
>>> people so I put myself in between my gelding and her mare. We were not
>>> crowded. Next thing I knew her mare lunged and viciously bit me in my
>>> side. I jumped into my horse to get away from the attack which caused
>>> my horse to jump into my friend, which resulted in a back injury for
>>> her. The bite resulted in extensive bruising and swelling and my
>>> friend ended up driving home early from the ride due to her back pain.
>>> The rider showed absolutely no concern for either of us (never asked
>>> if either of us was o.k.), did absolutely nothing to reprimand her
>>> horse and finally moved her horse away from the group.
>>>
>>>
>> --
>>
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>> into you." Friedrich Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil
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