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RE: [RC] "Feeding the Hoof" - Kitley, Carrie E Civ USAF AFSPC 30 MDSS/SGSLFI agree with you on that too, however I do believe the information is readily available. What it boils down to is being interested, curious or desperate enough to seek it out. But you are also right in that, surprisingly, even some vets are not up on this stuff. Which to me, is a headscratcher. Carrie Kitley-Jackson 30th Medical Group, Vandenberg AFB DMLSS?Database Sustainment Specialist (DSS) CACI?International Inc? www.caci.com dsn?276-1077, Comm (805) 606-1077 fax dsn?276-1179 <\_~ // \\ carrie.kitley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx? -----Original Message----- From: Kathy Mayeda [mailto:klmayeda@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 3:58 PM To: Kitley, Carrie E Civ USAF AFSPC 30 MDSS/SGSLF Cc: ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [RC] "Feeding the Hoof" Actually there are quite a few people that are interested in this stuff who AREN'T newbies. A lot of this information is not readily available, apparently even through the vets according to what I've been reading in Dr. Kellon's course group mail. And maybe people are having mystery hoof issues could start looking at hay and water analysis to pin-point potential causes. I don't think that there's a clear line as to when one is no longer a newbie - there are so many things that even experienced endurance riders haven't experienced! K. On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Kitley, Carrie E Civ USAF AFSPC 30 MDSS/SGSLF <carrie.kitley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: This is all very valuable information and Pete Ramey is definitely one of the best. However, this information would probably be better spent on newbie horse-owners. So far, I have found that equine distance athletes are some of the most well cared-for animals on earth and their owners are some of the most health-savvy people I've ever met. My guess is they would rarely a horse with "destroyed" hooves in the first place. In order to compete in endurance, nutrition and hoof care is at the top of the list and the first thing we learn and practice in this sport. I'm sure there some folks who are complacent about horse care (doubtful they are endurance riders), in which case, they should definitely take your post and read and heed. Carrie Kitley-Jackson 30th Medical Group, Vandenberg AFB DMLSS Database Sustainment Specialist (DSS) CACI International Inc www.caci.com <http://www.caci.com/> dsn 276-1077, Comm (805) 606-1077 fax dsn 276-1179 <\_~ // \\ carrie.kitley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Terry Banister Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:55 PM To: ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [RC] "Feeding the Hoof" I know I said I would "shut up and ride", but I felt I would be remiss if I didn't finish the BF-hoof topic, since trim mechanics and adequate movement are only two ingredients in the recipe of sustaining healthy hooves. >From Pete Ramey's 7/30/08 article, www.hoofrehab.com/diet He says, "So far, every time I have had troubles growing healthy feet and have tested the forage, I have found significant mineral ratio problems and/or deficiency ~ every time. The nutrition balance may be all or part of your horses' problem." He mentions sugar levels in grasses and hay, and realized that constant carbohydrate overload was destroying the hooves of many horses. Refers reader to Katy Watts site ~ www.safergrass.org <http://www.safergrass.org/> Some things he quotes from Eleanor Kellon, VMD, www.drkellon.com <http://www.drkellon.com/> Lack of sufficient Copper and Zinc leading to abnormalities in bone, cartilage, tendons, ligaments and arterial walls. Toxic levels of Iron ~ None should be listed in supplements. High iron levels drive insulin resistance and visa versa, also canels the absorption of copper and zinc, also increases risk of tendon/ligament problems. Calcium/Phosphorus balance should be 2:1 ratio ~Too much phosphorus robs calcium, causing bone loss. Too much calcium makes magnesium less available, resulting in base-wide gait behind, or misdiagnosis of EPSM, among other things. Viatamin E and essential fatty acids must be supplemented if horse not in pasture, because they are eliminated in hay-drying process Salt is ideally provided in loose form. He tells you how to test to make sure your horses have the right balance of forage and supplements. Then he tells you what to do with the results, so that you can design custom supplement plan and order each ingredient separately for maximum cost savings. Sources: Local mills that actually mix their own feed, or general livestock supply stores Uckele Health and Nutrition ~ www.uckele.com <http://www.uckele.com/> , 800-248-0330 Gateway Products ~ www.buygpdirect.com <http://www.buygpdirect.com/> Horse Tech ~ www.horsetech.com <http://www.horsetech.com/> He highly recommends Dr. Kellons's basic online course "NRC Plus" because it "will teach you the relationships, roles and importance of vitamins, minerals, proteins, electrolytes, how the horse uses food and the basics of what makes it tick. The course demystifies the feed labels, forage analysis and teaches you hot to really provide for your horse's needs." Terry "May the Horse be with you" ________________________________ Get Windows Live and get whatever you need, wherever you are. Start here. <http://www.windowslive.com/default.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Home_082008> ---------------------------------- Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net <http://www.endurance.net/> . Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp Ride Long and Ride Safe!! ---------------------------------- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. 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