Actually, I don't think it is a race. ?I don't really see the problem here, at least in regards to the AERC codes. ?Whether the rider actually "sees" the problem first, the horse MUST be presented to the vet, either for the rider to go on, or to withdraw. ?ONLY if the vet passes the horse as able to continue -- at the time you decide to withdraw -- can the RO codes be applied. ?
It doesn't matter whether the horse passed the check, then cramped during the hold, or any other scenario. ?In order to withdraw, you have to present to the vet. ?At that time, if the vet says "yep, he's lame, or whatever", then it is an L or M. ?If he says -- it's not that bad, you can continue, but you say -- no, I don't want to chance it, that is RO-L (M).
If the same rules are applied to the FEI codes (i.e., rider must present the horse to the vet in order to retire, and the horse must be passed by the vet in order for the "ret" code to be used), then the outcome should be equivalent. ?I don't know the FEI rules, so I can't comment on whether it is possible for the codes to be assigned as you suggest.
On Jan 15, 2008, at 1:11 PM, John Teeter wrote:
On Jan 15, 2008, at 1:21 PM, Susan E. Garlinghouse, DVM wrote:
It's not a race to see who can spot a problem first and decide the horse is
done for the day.
interesting comment as the very existence of RO-L and RO-M indicates that some do see it as necessary to differentiate between the two. Otherwise the RO-L and RO-M pull codes would not exist. They ONLY indicate who spotted the issue "first" (with the additional twist that the vet always gets a chance to be first:)
that's fine,?
but it doesn't address my REAL issue, which is pointed out by ?FEI guidelines on when to eliminate (L,M,SF..) and when to withdraw (RO,RO-L,RO-M...) -?
I can very easily see a situation (i.e. any time during the FEI defined <...rest period...> ?where an AERC vet will issue a L and and FEI vet will issue a ret-la ?(which is RO-L in AERC terminology) - the same horse at the same evaluation.
THAT gets worse when the AERC Vet and the FEI Vet are the same person. Then, the same person, must say the pull code is L and the pull code is ret-la==RO-L -- which leads to a full breakdown in your system of logic:( - as in:
