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[RC] [RC] Selenium Vit.E Help - Lucy Chaplin Trumbull

Don Huston:
Hay tested at 0.35ppm Se so 15lbs has 2.4mg Se per day.
Feb 15, 2008 I started my endurance horse, Datezz, on 10g of Selenium Yeast (2000mcg of Se per gram of yeast x 10 = 20mg Se) per day for 14 days plus 4000IU Vit.E per day.

Don, did you test Datezz when you started this, or were
you just assuming he could use more Se because of the
level your hay tested at?

Feb 29 blood test showed serum Se at 0.14ppm did not test Vit.E.
Feb 29 reduced Se yeast to 6g (12mg Se) per day plus 4000IU Vit.E for 90 days.
June 2 blood test showed serum Se at 0.29ppm and Vit.E at 4.7ppm.

Wait. I'm confused. His serum was at 0.14 ppm and you
reduced his Se, yet his level increased to 0.29 ppm? Is
this because he was only on the higher dose for a couple
of weeks, d'you think?

My understanding is that a low Se level can make it hard
for the horse to take up Se, so if your horse is low, you have
to give a big dose to get his level up, so he can use any
supplement you give him. Yet it didn't seem like Datezz's
level was very high when you reduced his dose. Curious.

Datezz's attitude and energy have improved a lot in the 90 days. My questions are what would be a good level of Se and Vit.E to maintain and howmuch of the supplements do I need to continue to feed to keep those levels?

If you get any private replies, please pass them my way,
although I suspect this might be a "it depends" answer -
I've heard of two endurance horses in the same situation,
eating the same hay, yet one tested low and the other
normal. Hmm.

Back in March, my endurance horse tested at 0.2 ppm
(serum), so I started him on E-Se-Mag supplement. I
haven't tested our hay, but it comes from an area known
to be low in Se.

He had two pulls for lameness this year, at least one of
which seems to have been a cramping issue, so I was
hoping to help him out by raising his Se level which seemed
to be at the bottom end of the spectrum for endurance horses
(although my vet was happy with the result and said it was
in the middle of "normal").

He completed his first 100 about ten days after I started him
on  the E-Se-Mag, although was stiff at the end. I have no idea
how long it takes to increase the Se levels on a horse that
wasn't particularly low to start with.

He's currently being *supplemented* (not counting anything he's
getting out of the three-grain hay I'm currently feeding) with:

Se - 5mg
Magnesium - at least 6,000 mg
Vit E - 2,500 mg

(which seems puny compared to what you're supplementing
;-))

(btw, I have not noticed any loose stools related to the Mag, but
he doesn't have access to fresh green grass (we don't got that
here in CA... just brown sh*t).)

I too am curious as to how much/how long I need to supplement
him for. I'm currently giving over double the "maintenance" dose
and figured I'd wait until I was close to finishing the tub before
re-testing him and then decide how to proceed.

(note, I suspect some of his cramping issues might also be from
minimal e-lyting. I managed to increase it for the 100, but could
definitely still do better).


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Lucy Chaplin Trumbull
elsietee AT foothill DOT net
Repotted english person in the Sierra foothills, CA
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