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Hello Kim/ KP
 First of all
kp ross wrote:*/the foxtrot is a very eary gait (so far) metabolically 
means

I should not rush to answer without re-reading my answer, even though I 
am about to be late for court :-)
I am passionate about this, and it is one heck of a lot more fun than 
practicing law.


It should have been, easy gait, not early gait!


Now I am stuck in bold print, unintentionally  mind you because  I 
quoted you . Sorry, I cant seem to stop it.

Speaking of being sorry.  Please accept my apology if I seemed to be 
rude or demeaning in any way by suggesting, you "needed" to trot.
I was wrong, and ask that you forgive me. I have had that come up and i 
very wrongly assumed your were like that.  
Your later post  clarified some things that  I should have asked of you 
before I answered in the first place.
I would say their is a 90%+ chance that your hoses has a structural 
issue that needs to be fixed if possible before he is ridden in 
endurance or even long
trail rides. I have no idea what that is but it could be anything from a 
stiff stifle to a hip issue. Someone with diagnostic abilities needs to 
thoroughly go over the horse  (inho).  Think about this please.  If you 
are a distance runner, which I am and your (my) hrt rate at a 9 minute 
pace is usually 135 and suddenly my (your)  hrt rate goes to  90% of my 
max rate, which  is about what your horse is doing, it is a signal that 
something if very wrong.
 I would say there is less than a 10 % percent chance that it is 
psychologically involved.

Imho, his ruckus in gait, and his  desire to trot,  and to trot at times 
with a really  high hrt rate all go back to being somehow involved with 
a physical problem. Do  you know why he is no longer a show horse? Was 
he shown flat shod or padded? If padded, could he have been sored? 
(yuch,  yuch , spit , spit, now MY heartrate is going up!)
    I would love to help you in any way I can. I gave you my personal 
email addy. If you ever want to talk in the evening live about this. 
email me and I will email back our home phone and my personal cell number.
  I care about your horse. 
Keith
Shawnee Sunrise Farm
Gaited Endurance

(does this mean that all my dictation the rest of the day is stuck in 
caps?)

/*
What do you mean by */the foxtrot is a very eary gait (so far) 
metabolically/  . . *Have you had problems with this . . . By the way, I 
most always go for the turtle award and not speed . . . I just know that 
if my MFT knows that there are horses out there, she will be gaiting 
quickly . . . She foxtrots but does change gaits depending on terrain 
and speed . . . What I usually do is as for the speed and she will 
choose the gait . . . 7 mph would be my choice . . thanks, kim from 
lakeport

On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 6:53 AM, Keith Kibler <kwkibler@xxxxxxxxxxx 
<mailto:kwkibler@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

   Kp
   So far I think it depends upon the horse, with the caveat, that my
   working opinion (so far) that the qualifier is the issue is gait
   itself. Not all mfts foxtrot, the foxtrot is a very eary gait (so
   far) metabolicly. That being said, it is not as fast as a rack. My
   best horse Blues, runs out of foxtrot about 9 mph.  His rack has
   been clocked on gps at 21.9 mph
     Now I would of course never endurance at anything like that.
   Each gaited horse has different gaits and speeds of those gaits
   and different hrt rate issues. Throw into that the fact that we
   need to break up muscle use (like the arabians do in cantering
   breaks from the trot) and to do that my wife and I go into canter
   breaks two. One of my most fun moments at the state fair express
   50 last weekend was taking a very pronounced canter break with an
   arab for about 1/2  mile. I dont usually let Blues canter in
   training (most of the non endurance gaited crowd I ride with think
   it is a no no, but I disagree for a horse settled in gait well)
   but he can canter with the best trotting horse when asked to.
     The canter break really seemed to refresh him.
     So, my answer is that I believe it is totally dependent on
   the horse. We have 2 mft and one twh that we are currently using
   in endurance. The twh I am training to sell as a turn key horse
   ready for someone to race or ride. We have 2 4 year olds I am
   getting ready to start with a slow ld this year as well as other
   trail horses. Each horse is different and I think the difference
   is more horse related than breed related.
        Keith
   Shawnee Sunrise Farm
   Gaited Endurance     

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