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Re: [RC] French system - Truman Prevatt

As MMS told me one time - you train them in the Florida sand hills - they can come do the OD without any trouble. By golly I think he is right. I've gone from FL to the Rockies several times with a flatland horse that rides only in sand and had no problems. Sand is pretty much good training for just about any conditions.

That's why a lot of prize fighters use beach running as an integral part of their training.

Truman

kathy.mayeda@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
I think that the "vital energy" that you are referring to is key to a good endurance horse. I think that it's a horse that has the whole mental, emotional and physical makeup and focus that makes a superior equine athlete.
There is an article in this month's Endurance News that's an interview with Nancy Elliot, DVM. (She has worked on my horses as a chiropractor, too.) She states that you have to train in same conditions as the competition. She made specific reference to deep sand. A horse that hasn't trained in these conditions will not have the muscle and ligament strength to withstand the extra exertion required to go through sand.
Also think that flat land training is not conducive for a horse to be a good hill horse.
K.

    -------------- Original message --------------
    From: <Leonard.Liesens@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
    hmhhh... yes, what you say is true and it it what people generally
    think. But there are so many exceptions to this rule. For example
    the offspring of Amer are not tall but outstanding on the
    racetrack. There are also many horses,compact and not long-legged,
    performing very well in the UAE. More than the conformation, I
    would look the way the horse moves under the saddle and his 'vital
    energy'. Going fast downhill is something we have to learn to the
    horse.

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        *From:* Kathy Mayeda [mailto:kathy.mayeda@xxxxxxxxxxx]
        *Sent:* Tuesday, October 09, 2007 9:27 AM
        *To:* LIESENS Leonard (COMM); liberty4640@xxxxxxxxx;
        ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; PFmorabs@xxxxxxxxx
        *Subject:* Re: [RC] French system

        Would you take into consideration that a smaller handier horse
        will be able to handle the technical, rough terrained trail
        vs. a long legged racing type? I have seen some small compact
        horses just float downhill, but my long-legged guys don't do
        as well in this department. But their long legs serve them
        well on less challenging terrain and they have speed. Oh heck,
        my long legged guy may not be good on downhills, but he can
        power up a hill like crazy.
        K.

            ----- Original Message -----
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            *To:* kathy.mayeda@xxxxxxxxxxx
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            <mailto:liberty4640@xxxxxxxxx> ; ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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            *Sent:* Monday, October 08, 2007 11:42 PM
            *Subject:* RE: [RC] French system


            well, this is what you say, but a good horse remains a
            good horse and stays versatile, in a hilly race or in the
            deserts of the UAE. The riders (the blessed one for sure)
            living in hilly areas just go to the beach to practice
            long canter sessions, or to the racetrack (what I do).

Leonard, Belgium

            -----Original Message-----
            From: Kathy Mayeda [mailto:kathy.mayeda@xxxxxxxxxxx]
            Sent: Tue 10/9/2007 8:29 AM
            To: liberty4640@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:liberty4640@xxxxxxxxx>;
            LIESENS Leonard (COMM); ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
            <mailto:ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; PFmorabs@xxxxxxxxx
            <mailto:PFmorabs@xxxxxxxxx>
            Subject: Re: [RC] French system

            To condition on similar terrain or conditions as the ride
            you are competing
            in. Where we ride horses in the Bay Area is really pretty
            hilly or
            mountainous, so we have to really look for flat land to
            train for a ride in
            Dubai. (Not that I ever went to Dubai, but I know a couple
            of people who
            did). The horses (and you) use different muscle patterns
            while going fast
            on flat land, vs. powering up a hill. A flatland horse
            will have trouble on
            hills unless they get hill training and vice versa.

K



            ----- Original Message -----
            From: "D'Arcy Demianoff-Thompson" <liberty4640@xxxxxxxxx>
            To: <Leonard.Liesens@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
            <PFmorabs@xxxxxxxxx>
            Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 8:42 AM
            Subject: RE: [RC] French system


            >I wouldn't want to train my horses on flat lands
            > unless that is the only option that I had. I have
            > found being up in the higher elevations has
            > conditioned my race horses far better than being in
            > the lowland.
            >
            > Also, Merced County, CA is FULL of flat sandy loam
            > soil. As is most of the central valley of CA. ; Then
            > there is Arizona, New Mexico, and most of the south
            > east. Unless you are in the higher elevations of
            > those states with their red clay. At any rate...who
            > would want to train on flat, sandy soil, all of the
            > time and why?
            >
            > D'Arcy
            >
            >
            > D'Arcy L. Demianoff-Thompson
            > liberty4640@xxxxxxxxx
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            
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