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Is there a possibility this could be "pigeon fever?"  That will cause 
swellings on the chest, and inside the sheath, as based on our experiences. 
Eventually, the swellings will rupture and drain.  The ones on the chest are 
accessible and easier to detect, and when they form a soft center, can be 
lanced and drained.  The one inside the sheath was undetectable, except for 
the fact that the horse was obviously miserable.  When it erupted on its 
own, the horse was hopping around with glee at the relief from pressure and 
pain.  Check this possibility with your vet?

Barbara

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "L gin" <ladurgin@xxxxxxx>
To: <Ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 8:46 AM
Subject: [RC] Let Play:"Stump the Vets!!" ;0)


>  Ok-Direct me to any ideas, websites etc.--I am on the HUNT to figure this 
> out. Second time, year apart  different animals.  I  care for these 
> animals  at home for years on a daily basis. I read these guys well.
>   Crept out to the  pasture (recovering from Staph and cold)  with my 
> Hunter Insturctor/ trainer daughter who was visiting  Labor day. --- My 
> mare was stocked up  in back legs, and had 2 swellings about 4" wide by 
> 8-12" on her belly in front of her  udder. Her expression was one of  "I 
> don't feel so good". She was walking  in a sort of stilted manner.
>    I said " I thought she looked like  she was walking funny , when I 
> looked outside yesterday!"
>    My daughter who  has cared for a barn of horses , said" look,  probably 
> from that fungus on her canon bones'. "Noooo, thats not  fungus , that is 
> Warpaint". It has been dry as a bone here, only a few 5 minute showers and 
> they go stand in the barn if it rains.Plus , no one has gotten rain rot , 
> since I started vitamins and Flax and BOSS.
>   I bathed her yesterday, hosed her legs and went over her real good. 
> Nothing else out of the ordinary.
>    I had noticed before I got sick about a week ago, that she had some 
> swelling/endema in front of her udder on  two parallel  lines  forward on 
> her belly.Then I was sick in bed a week. Now it is worse including  both 
> back legs. thermometer was broken, so didn't take temp. But she is  EDPP , 
> seem normal.
>     BINGO! this is following exactly what happened to my donkey last year! 
> Only he is a boy, duh.And His swelling included his  sheath, which grew to 
> 3 times normal size and the endema included his entire belly, which became 
> a thick mass  about  4" thick.
>    Enviornment.- Only dirt turnout with  a grass aobut 1.5 acre. There are 
> oak trees starting to drop a few leaves, which are dry , there is a 
> poplar, and  pines. Everything is drought stressed. No nuts or fruit. They 
> have a grass hay roundbale, pretty good hay, dryed  and put up right.
>     Insects in area. Very few now, it is so dry. I let out fly predators 
> monthly. I have fly traps. I  sprinkle Fireant mounds as soon as I find 
> them. There are a few  hornets /bees/  etc.  Sometimes I see deer flys and 
> an occasional  horse fly.But very few it has been so dry. Very few 
> mysquitos this year., I know , cause I attract them.  I try to  keep them 
> comfortable.
>     Last year I called the local farm vet. He  shrugged and said , maybe 
> he got kicked..Nobody kicks anyone. These guys have been together a long 
> time and though there is  an occasional  rare bite on the neck from 
> playing  by the  donkey and  young horse and  "if"  someone comes near 
> Rascals stall at  dinner time , they may get a "nip at..".
>      Donkey actually got worse from vets  visit  for another week , then 
> it gradually subsided. I treated with Bute. Feeding habits never 
> changed.--I didn't call the vet  in again with him, cause he didn't seem 
> interested  in  figuring it out  and just kind of brushed me off.
>    This seems to be following the same  scenario.---WE do have  roughly  8 
> dumptruck loads of chicken manure in front of our house dumped by the 
> local farmer  who then spreads it on the fields .To get our horses it 
> would have to travel about  500 plus feet on the wind uphill and  over the 
> treeline. This has been there for months and  another neighbor is trying 
> to get it covered or something, but the  ol'd guy doesn't care, ti is 
> furtherst from his house , even though  there are  3 babies next door.
>    There are bats, crows, bluebirds, sparrows, finches,  owls, vultures, 
> hawks int he area. Coyotes, loose dogs and cats, etc. Typical North 
> Georgia  flora and Fauna.
>     And didn't someoneelses'  mare  have mysterious stocking up a couple 
> weeks ago? I tried to  look her up in archives, but didn't find a date. I 
> have looked up  in my vet books et.
>     BTW. This mare is a 12 yr old pasture  potato. Just green broke , 
> isn't being ridden, has always been on turnout , Never lame or sick. Only 
> one choke , in   7 years.  Does  get a hay belly. Regular worming and 
> shots.  Basic shots,  EWT,WNile, Rabies. No physical contact with outside 
> horses . But there are horses , within  a couple hundred feet. Electric 
> rope fence. Feet are a little chippy, were past due for  filing. So I 
> filed and checked  them yesterday.
>      I am stumped--- and am concerned-- as to what effects this can have. 
> Someone said last year about the donkeys , may be congestive heart 
> failure. But here I have another horse with same symptoms....  So far , 
> this seems to have started 7-10 days ago before I went out  OOT , came 
> back and was sick inside , and non -horsey son was feeding and checking on 
> them.  So if this follows the same scenario,  she will stay the same or 
> get worse another week, then gradually    clear up.
>    All I can think to do is give her some bute, may be hose , her. I will 
> talk to my neighbor, she  does endurance and  is a vet tech and see if she 
> has noticed anything with her 3 horses.
>    If it is insect stings, then I have 2 animals getting way overexposed 
> and reactive , which doesn't seem to likely. They all get Warpaint on 
> them, pretty regularly, and sometimes a mix of   flick, citronella and 
> Pymethrins--not necessarily daily, but if bugs are  bad.  This is a very 
> even endema,  so I rule out sankebites, or even insect bites. Seems more 
> systemic.....
>      Any ideas? Timiing  seems to  possibly be involved. Last year it was 
> roughly same time period , give or take a few weeks  and   someone else 
> had a horse  she mentioned on here, a couple weeks ago, but think she was 
> further north. I am in the  Tenn./Ga/Ala. corner. This started last week 
> of August.
>
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