RE: [RC] Reality bites - heidiOK, I, too, have done a pretty fair job of staying out of this discussion--I think I've only posted once. But I am sick and tired of the self-back-patting about how "good" we are because we recognize the suffering, we put our horses down at the "right time," and we dig a hole. You know what? That's just fine, but it doesn't make other approaches WRONG, as long as the horses do not suffer. Jody, you live in an area where a hole dug by a backhoe will quickly "heal." If I dug holes for my horses here, the place would soon be covered with backhoe "mounds" because our arid desert takes years to "recover" from that kind of digging. Besides, for at least 4-5 months of the year, digging is nigh on impossible due to frozen ground. I don't know if you have ever watched birds die when exposed to the chemicals that are traditionally used for euthanasia--but it isn't a pretty sight. I once had a buried DOG (nowhere near the body mass or amount of drugs as a horse) get partially exhumed after burial--and the entire burial area was ringed by dead birds. I don't feel I have a right to pat myself on the back when I add those sorts of toxins to the ecosystem and cause that sort of damage. My only real "option" at the moment is to put a 30-30 bullet in their brains and leave them out for the scavengers. I don't mind the coyotes coming down and "cleaning up"--but I REALLY mind doing this now that we have wolves in our area--I feel like I am jeopardizing my still-living horses by doing this. I think I already mentioned in my only previous post on this subject that the vets in this area WILL NOT come out and euthanize a horse unless you have a hole already dug and a backhoe standing by. The reason is that it is a federal offense to kill a federally-protected wolf--and they figure it isn't worth losing their licenses over. I recently had a foal born with some serious issues that kept him from being able to stand and nurse. One of our local vets came out, at the request of my neighbor who was place-sitting while I was away on an emergency trip with my mother. We consulted by phone, and he WOULD NOT euthanize the colt--he instead arranged for a neighbor to come and shoot it for me. It isn't about having the "guts" to know when, or about the dollars for many of us--it is simply a matter of not having viable options. Terry, this isn't all about "disposable" horses (although I agree that the racing industry, etc. do abuse the situation something awful)--it is about being humane when the time comes, and there aren't any other options available. By far the BEST solution remains having relatively local slaughter plants, where horses are not subjected to batching and extended travel. Once humanely killed, the horse truly DOES NOT CARE if his carcass is eaten or buried--or whether the one eating him is a human, a pet, or a wild scavenger. It isn't just about waste--it is also about being environmentally responsible, and not adding some really NASTY chemicals to the wild food chain or to the ground water. Heidi Ok, I have stayed out of all the slaughter/killing horse thread all last week. But this below is just sad. Terry, your tougher than I am. I wouldn't want to appear weak either, but I couldn't do it. Call me a weanie, but no way. The thought of chopping up the horse, (and I know, other animals have to eat too) is just not for me. Someone else can have that job. I am one of those fruit cakes, that will pay to have the backhoe come, dig a hole, pay the vet (and I did just this 2 weeks ago) to have my poor old/suffering horses put in. I know, some of you think it is a waste of a food source...and it probably is. Some of you think it is a waste of money, and it probably is. Some of you think it is a waste of land to contain dead horses to rot....and it probably is. But, I am lucky enough to have a farm, with LOTS of places to bury dead animals. I choose to put them in the backyard in a horsey cemetery. I am lucky enough to be able to afford to spend the money to bury them. I am lucky enough to have the "guts" to know when to say when and put them in the ground. But, I work hard to save a few rescues along the way, turned them back healthy, and give them a job. I am lucky to have the sense enough to retard breeding to prevent an over population of horses. I don't know the answer to any of this....I am just disgusted with the treatment of the horses that are not lucky enough to have someone take care of them their entire life. Jody and Rose, Aries, Storme, Squirrel, Lovie, April (the demonic mule) and the two rescue ponies.....Cash (who will never be hungry and want for anything again) and Booger. Terry Banister <ebeyrider@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } Well darn, guess we will just have to pay money to dispose of our horses :-( But, if we don't acquire more horses than we can afford, and we aren't dumping quantities of culls, then that should still be within our budget, no? If not, then rather than acquiring horses of our own, we could get a different kind of satisfaction by riding O.P.'s (other people's) attention/exercise-deprived horses. Or we could donate our time and love of horses to rescue operations that have a thought-out system already in place. Anyway, I don't know that dumping/donating horses to zoos and wildlife waystations is always a good way to put a horse down. I botched it once, and will never forget the look on that horse's face. After two years of ponying and hot-walking at a flat track TB racetrack back East, I did not like what I was seeing (young, injured horses/non-winning horses sent to killers, plus some practices used on horses to keep them running) so I left. But I loved animals and thought I wanted a career in the animal "business," so I explored the Exotic Animal world and got a degree in Exotic Animal Management. After graduating, I worked at an animal-actors compound. Someone donated a skinny horse. I spent two weeks hiking up the hill to her solitary corral to feed and water her. One day, they said, "We are going to do the horse today." And they handed me a handgun. The animal "business" is tough, and I did not want to appear weak. So I put the gun between her eyes and pulled the trigger. Her eyes just got big with surprise, and she did not fall. So I had to pull the trigger again, and she dropped. I had to spend the rest of the day chopping her up and feeding the parts out to the lions and wolves. So, you don't know that the person who shoots the horse actually knows what they are doing. (So it would be a good thing to know how to yourself, even if you aren't the one doing it.) A short time later, I was dumping elephant boli back into the bushes and came upon another employee chopping up a beautiful young tiger that had just come in on a truck the day before. When I asked "Why?!" I was told the owner hadn't paid a feed bill (guess they didn't get enough horses donated). I guess I am weak. The next day, I got out of the animal business ~ because I love animals. Terry "May the Horse be with you"From: dotwgns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To: ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [RC] Reality bites Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:11:45 -0600 Today's paper says many Zoos will no longer be using horse meat to feed thier animals. They are disturbed because of the "anti horse slaughter" push. 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