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Beth Walker wrote:
> I don't think you have to put up with them, but you may have to do 
> some prep work. Get the incidents documented and take it to the AERC 
> board. Use rule 4.1.3 (from Jonni) to refuse them entry to your ride.
>
> /4.1.3 Abusive harassment of ride personnel, other riders or crews,/
> /such as arguing with the veterinarians, breaking the line at vet/
> /gates, or deliberately blocking other riders on the trail./
>
> While Truman has a point, I think that "abusive harassment" includes 
> more than physical force or threats. The rule itself includes "arguing 
> with the veterinarians". I think screaming and yelling at ride 
> management also qualifies. Cars honking behind horses sounds out of 
> bounds to me. If veterinarians, volunteers or other riders are 
> complaining about these two, have them put their complaint in writing 
> to help you document the problem.
Honking behind horses - IMO does cross the line. Excessive arguing with 
vets does cross the line. However, if the wrong precedent is set - even 
the asking of a question or requesting a second opinion might go as 
considered arguing in the future. I'm not sure yelling at ride 
management is more of just being a jerk unless there is more to it.

However, the riders in question can sure file a protest and for the 
protest not to stand up - the ride managers will have to have valid 
documentation with witnesses to all the incidents and the incidents will 
have to show a pattern of abusive behavior that rises the level as set 
forth in rule 4.1.3 and such as "blocking other riders on the trail" 
sets a pretty high level.

Truman

> It would be a shame to have rides shut down which bring enjoyment to 
> dozens of people because of a couple of bad apples.


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