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RE: [RC] [RC] Q4. Penalties - Jim - Jay RandleHi JimFrom your question am I correct in assuming that there are no current EquineWelfare Rules in AERC? How can this be? Surely you have rules that look after the welfare of the horse? Well, aren't the pulse parameters a rule? Our (AERA) Horse Welfare Rules are very restrictive, starting with "no whips or spurs allowed" and going all the way to our penalty system and rest orders. In the middle there are rules on age of horse, training of horse, fitness of rider, restrictions on time allowed for novice horses, maximum number of rides that a novice horse can do in a set period of time, identification of horse, registration of horse, nutrition and sanitation of horse, horses that haven't competed in over 13 months, horse behaviour, state of the riding equipment and tack used on the horse, shoeing of the horse, etc, etc, etc..... If what you are asking is referring to the penalty point system only, then yes! I would certainly recommend implementing such a system.... but surely you have to have a set of rules up front that everyone knows about, in order to properly manage the penalty point system for those breaking said rules? I can't comment on the cost of implementing such a system, as our system has been around for so long, and is constantly evolving. However surely the cost of NOT implementing a horse welfare policy and rules would eventually be higher? As to complexity... I really don't believe that our rules and our penalty system is very complex at all. In fact, I believe them to be quite straight-forward.... you break the rule, you pay! Thanks for your email, Jim... I always enjoy reading your posts!! Best regards Jay Randle SPLENDACREST ENDURANCE TRAINING www.freewebs.com/splendacrest From: "Jim Holland" <lanconn@xxxxxxx> To: "'Jay Randle'" <splendacrest@xxxxxxxxxxx>, <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: RE: [RC] Q4. Penalties Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 09:29:06 -0500 Yes, Jay, I have a question. Can you think of any REALLY good reason why it would not be in the best interest of AERC and our horses to implement a very basic set of Equine Welfare RULES, perhaps not as complex, but based on this system? Cost prohibitive? Complexity? Thanks for your input. Jim, Sun of Dimanche+, and Mahada Magic Richard T. "Jim" Holland Three Creeks Farm 175 Hells Hollow Drive Blue Ridge, Ga 30513 (706) 258-2830 www.threecreeksarabians.com Callsign KI4BEN -----Original Message----- From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jay Randle Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 7:20 AM To: ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [RC] Q4. Penalties Hi All And now for Question Number 4: We are extremely lucky in Australia to have quite a good system of record-keeping within the AERA. If a horse and/or a rider incurs a penalty, this penalty is recorded and the information on the penalty is then distributed to Ride Organisers on a regular basis, allowing them to know the status of any horse/rider. This system of penalties is called the Early Warning System. The horse and/or rider accumulates points against them, which can be redeemed in a number of ways. REASON FOR NON-COMPLETION POINTS Vet out pulse under 66bpm 10 Vet out pulse 66bpm or over 15 Vet out non invasive metabolic 10 Vet out mild metabolic 15 Vet out sever metabolic 30 Vet out lame - first 6 Vet out lame - second consecutive 12 Vet out lame - third consecutive 18 Vet out other - back 6 Vet out gall or injury 4 The rider only attract consecutive points for lameness if riding the same horse that vets out lame consecutively. Horses withdrawn (pulled) in accordance with the appropriate rule as well as out-of-riding-time non-completion which pass the veterinary inspection do not attract non-completion penalty points. Non-completion points are reduced by: a) 6 points on the anniversary of each penalty b) 6 points for subsequent successful completion of rides up to 90km 10 points for subsequent successful completion of rides of 91 - 159 km 12 points for subsequent successful completion of rides of 160km and above Metabolic disorders as described above are defined as: a) 10 points - mild metabolic disorders that do not require invasive treatment b) 15 points - mild metabolic disorders such as Ty-Up (Exertional Rhabdmyolysis), other mild muscle conditions, Synchronous Diaphragmatic Flutters (Thumps), mild heat distress, very mild GIT conditions c) 30 points - more severe metabolic disorders, including Exhaustive Horse Syndrome (fatigue related), Endotoxaemia, the more severe GIT crises ie. Diarrhoea, colitis, impactions, paralytic ileus, hyper/hypomotility colics, moderate to severe heat stroke. If a horse accumulates 30 or more non-completion penalty points, the owner and/or rider generally receives a written caution from the State Management Committee. Any horse that has been cautioned, who then accumulates more than 45 but less than 60 penalty points must enter all affiliated endurance rides under novice horse/novice rider rules until two novice rides are completed successfully. Any horse that has been cautioned, who then accumulates 60 penalty points or more, will be asked to show cause why the horse (or rider) should not be suspended. Horses that are known to progress to laminitis, renal failure, hepatophathies, CNS related disturbance, will be asked to show cause why the horse should not be suspended. Horses that vet out on gait at three consecutive rides will be asked to show cause why the horse should not be suspended. REST ORDERS The Head Veterinarian at any ride may impose a rest order on a horse, if the horse is injured and/or stressed and/or in need of protection from further abuse, or the life, health or welfare of the horse may be jeopardised if it continued to compete. The rest order generally means that the horse in not permitted to compete at further endurance rides for a period of time sufficient for that horse to recover from its injury or stress (up to a maximum of twelve months). When a rest order has been issued to a horse, the length of the rest order is written in the appropriate page in the logbook, and a highly visible red sticker is put onto that page. This is easily noticeable when the horse enters subsequent rides. Any rider/owner of a horse on a rest order who breaches the rest order faces disclipinary action. The horse and rider will then be disqualified from the ride where the breach has occured. Any questions? Best regards Jay Randle SPLENDACREST ENDURANCE TRAINING www.freewebs.com/splendacrest _________________________________________________________________ Advertisement: 50% off on Xbox 360, PS and Nintendo Wii titles! http://www.play-asia.com/SOap-23-83-4lab-71-bn-49-en-84-k-40-extended.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. 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