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Re: [RC] The 30 minute pulse down issue.... - Truman PrevattLaura,One of the bed rocks of the US legal system is the recognition and honoring precedences and laws that are long standing. Chief Justice Roberts reintegrated this principle several times in his conformation hearings before the US Senate. There is a Latin term for this concept, which escapes me at the moment. It does more than provide continuity and stability to our system it recognizes that the jury of time is one of the best. All Supreme Courts have been very reticent to overthrow long standing laws or overturn long standing precedences and do so with great reservations. The reasons are clear in that a continuous and uniform set of laws is essential for the functioning of a free society. While the AERC rules are not the same as US law, we should show the same restraint in changing long standing rules and/or procedures. We should do so only when there is overwhelming evidence that to do so is absolutely required and to do so would not cause undue impact. The one hour rule has been in effect for a long time. It is one of the "bed rock" rules in endurance. Many rides have have used it to either be able provide a safe finish line or be able to even run a ride. It's change will impact many current rides and could easily keep other rides from happening. A rule of thumb for hiking is you will average 2 miles an hour on the flat and require an extra hour per 2000 feet elevation gain. I can name two rides right off where for safety the finish line is about a mile from camp. The Big South Fork is 3 days and the Longstreet Charge is one day. For different reasons the finish line is about a mile from camp. By the time the average person walks to camp and most people walk after they cross the finish line - or should at least have the option to walk (the race is over) their half hour is up. These rides set their finish line for safety and in doing so were well within the parameters of the rule. Now you are proposing pulling the rug out from under them. Have you canvassed all ride managers to determine how many others this will impact? Do you have any ideal how many others this will impact? Do you have estimated how many potential new rides this could impact? Have you done the benefit vs. impact study and have a defendable metric that the benefit significantly outweighs the impact? Do you have overwhelming evidence that this will accomplish the intent? Is the Ride Manager's Committee fully investigated the potential impact of such a rule and full concur? IMO unless all the questions above have been answered in the affirmative - it is premature to consider such a rule change. Personally I see this change as completely unnecessary and creating many more issues than it solves. Best Regards, Truman Laura Hayes wrote: The issue at hand, that may well be made into a motion and voted on at the convention, is to change the pulse down and finish criteria at the end of AERC rides to 30 minutes from the current 60. *There is NO mention of lowering pulse requirements*--this separate issue, which is NOT before the board at this time, is being confused and interchanged on this board. There is an explanation of the issue titled "Business Before the Board" in Endurance News. It was put there to start dialogue at the membership level. -- “He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.” Friedrich Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp Ride Long and Ride Safe!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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