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RE: [RC] 30 Min Rule - Jim HollandI was going to reply to Eric as well, but I think Truman pretty much handled that question. Bruce, in your case, this is "tunnel vision" thinking. Perhaps we should repeal the DUI laws? Are you proposing that we don't need laws, i.e. "rules" because the people who break them are just oblivious to what they are doing? I suppose they don't know that "drinking" leads to drunkenness and the "tangible results" they see are when they crack up their vehicle and kill someone. Should we just "council" them and hope they will change their ways? I assume you have statistics to back up your statement that: "These proposals may feed our angry need to punish those that bring harm to our horses, but most horse abuse is either out of ignorance or the rider not even being aware that something is amiss until tangible signs present themselves." I don't believe that for a minute. As to my three-in-a-row pulls for lameness, none of them were remotely related to metabolic and anyone in Southeast will tell you that when I was riding Sunny during that period, he was forever yanking front shoes because he has a big trot. I even went to Farrier School to solve this problem. In 1100 miles he was truly "lame" once...when he fell in water filled bog on the trail...and that was my fault....should have bushwhacked around it...AND I don't like easy trails....I ride the hard ones. A little misdirection here? Let's not change the subject...typically horses don't die from being lame. As for being "on the job", that implies that you are accomplishing something...and I don't think you and I share much common ground on this subject. Jim, Sun of Dimanche+, and Mahada Magic Richard T. "Jim" Holland Three Creeks Farm 175 Hells Hollow Drive Blue Ridge, Ga 30513 (706) 258-2830 www.threecreeksarabians.com Callsign KI4BEN -----Original Message----- From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bruce Weary DC Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 3:46 PM To: 'Ridecamp' Subject: [RC] 30 Min Rule Jim Holland has long suggested that the path to compliance and thus greater horse welfare is through punishment. The type of punishment that will drive the point home, embarrass the rider publicly in his chosen hobby, and make him think twice about mis-treating his horse, whether deliberately, or simply through "not reading him" properly, as Jim claims he can do. His proposed rules are as follows: "If John Jones and Dobbin get a metabolic pull, then Dobbin cannot compete in another ride for a month. If Dobbin gets a 2nd metabolic pull, he is done for the year. If John Jones on ANY horse gets 3 metabolic pulls in a ride season, he is done for the rest of that season." His reasoning continues: "If a old "backyard rider" like me can complete 48 out of 60 rides with 19 Top Tens for a total of 2445 miles on four different horses in the heat and humidity of the SE without a metabolic pull, surely the criteria above is not asking too much? It's simply a matter of riding that horse on that trail on that day. If you finish in the Top Ten, fine. If not, you "won by finishing" on a happy healthy horse." He feels the crux of the matter lies here: "The problem occurs when riders cannot properly "read" their horse or when they decide to consciously "move up to the Top Ten" or "ride to win" without regard to whether this is within the capabilities of that horse on that trail on that day. There should be a "penalty" for such action which encourages riders to err on the side of the horse." These proposals may feed our angry need to punish those that bring harm to our horses, but most horse abuse is either out of ignorance or the rider not even being aware that something is amiss until tangible signs present themselves. Jim, you have a respectable record, and are entitled to your opinions. Hypothetically, in light of your recommendations for penalties imposed on a rider with three metabolic pulls in one season, what would you suggest for a rider with, say, three consecutive pulls for lameness on the same horse? Think carefully, as you accomplished this yourself in 2002. Was it abuse, neglect, bad luck, or you just weren't "reading" the horse those three days? And lastly, Jim says: "I have pretty much given up on AERC making any meaningful changes with regard to horse welfare." Relax, Jim. It's okay. You can give up. Really. There are several good people still working on it. It's a bit of a sticky wicket, but we're muddling through. 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