[RC] RE : Leonard are yu there - Leonard.LiesensHi Bruce, Here in France and Belgium the 56 pulse criteria has been enforced to try to protect the young horses. Well, this was the primary goal. Does that work ? well, difficult to answer without complete statistical data. It protects from the crazyness of some riders, this is for sure. It has a side effect on the selection of endurance horse : riders are looking more and more for horses with exceptional recoveries as those horses are the best prospects for winning 90Kms races in France. These big heart (as loing as big hearts are linked with good recoveries... another debate :-) ) horses are also the best prospect for campaigning on the european circuit where speed and vet-in times are major issues. Not to speak about the business side : outstanding recovering horses make good marketable horses (UAE, Bahreain, etc...). France, in its young horses finals (6 years, 90Km races) encourages also the process. Combination of speed and recoveries count for one third in the evaluation criteria to judge the young horses. And the list goes on... Now to try to answer your question. Going to a 72 threshold is going backward (i mean in terms of helping US to prepare and campaign high class endurance horses). It will for sure increase the speed and probably not help the veterinarian to detect early metabolic problems. We use to question a horse's metabolic health that takes more than 15 min to recover to the 64. Picky vets would also in this case ask for a recheck before allowing the horse to leave for the next stage, I mean during FEI rides. I do really not understand why a '60 minutes' window would be necessary at the end of a race (sorry, a ride...). For doing what ? We use to present the horse asap as he has recovered to avoid cramping. Once the horse has been vetted we have then all the time needed to care for him : icing the legs, letting graze or eat, letting drink, letting roll and pee, etc... Concerning treatment, I think that there was a study made by a french vet (an FEI vet from Maison Alfort I think) during two seasons. Subject was to find statistical data and make conclusions on the treated horses. Factors were (experience of horse, of rider, distance travelled to come to the event, time of crash). I can make a search. It seems also that the FEI regulation 'no treatment in the 2 hours after completion' will be changed. This will lead to a big debate at the Endurance Forum in Paris in March!!! Leonard, Belgium ============================================ Hi Leonard- Thank you for you recent input. I think it gives good perspective. With regard to our current discussion about pulse criteria, you mentioned that a 90 km race has a 20 minute window and a 56 pulse in some rides you have over there. As a hypothetical, what do you think would happen if the pulse rates were increased to 72, as one vet has suggested here, with a 30 minute window at vet checks, and a 60 minute window at the finish line, traveling at those speeds? Would it have any effect, in your opinion, on the speed of the racers, horse health complications, or need for treatment? Thank you in advance for your response. Bruce Weary, Horse Welfare Committee, Lip Service Division bujǫ''vڝǍzm۫jwH+bs'2+zm ۫jwF'^qJr{'rzmvڝǧzלjj()F'^.jwQגi
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