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Re: [RC] LD rides - Joe LongOn Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:32:40 -0800, "Richard Sacks" <rsacks@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: ... You can read them any way you like but I think they are pretty clear and straight forward. You can read them any way you like, but the AERC and RMs act according to what they actually say. Diane's post clarified them for you, correctly IMO. If they are not rules why are they listed as rules? Yes I believe they are violations of the rules. I also feel there should be consistency for all rides in each region. Not some ride managers posting completion times and some not. Also not some ride managers posting the completions in alphabetical order and some posting in completion order. Those options are allowed under current AERC rules. If you don't want RMs to have those options, ask your Directors to change the rules, don't try to claim the rules don't mean what they say. The minute they are posted in order of completion a placing is created and the AERC rules or definitions apply. The AERC rules and definitions apply either way. There is no violation here. This fiasco happened at the Desert Gold Ride for sure. The web site for the ride stated "There will also be awards available for overall best condition for both the endurance and the LD rides." Are you saying they did not have a BC for the LD ride, or that they did not have an AERC BC for the LD ride? Those are two different situations. If you intend to give out a BC award then you have to provide completion times. No, you don't. If the RM awards a BC under the AERC system, they must use riding times to calculate BC scores, but are still not obligated to report them on the ride results. This didn't happen at this ride and the ride manager indicated at the ride meeting that he was going to change the way he reported results for the LD ride because he didn't want to promote racing and felt strongly about it and it was time to make a statement. Too late for those who might have wanted to withdraw and get their money back. ... If the RM decided to not do someting he promised to do on his website, he should have offered a refund. As long as he had a BC award available for the LD ride (even if it was not awarded using the AERC system), it looks like he met his obligations. One LD will not make an endurance horse or rider. But the people who desire to do LD rides only should be treated with the same respect as any other person who shows up at a endurance ride. If the ride managers and other endurance riders can't do it, they shouldn't offer LD rides and the LD riders will find other venues to satisfy their needs. In the long run it is our loss because we will loose the riders who will some day try longer rides. Take away your breeding ground and your species becomes extinct You haven't demonstrated any lack of respect for LD rides or riders at this event. Just that they didn't do things the way you wanted them to. The very first-ever distance ride I entered, a 25-mile ride in Tennessee in 1978 (they were called "Novice Rides" back then), I was dissappointed when the awards were handed out alphabetically, without any indication of placing on them. They were all identical. Once I found out the reasons for it, I didn't have a problem with it. -- Joe Long jlong@xxxxxxxx http://www.rnbw.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp Ride Long and Ride Safe!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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