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Many runners talk about the "wall" at about 20 miles of a marathon. Many 
cyclist talk about it at about 70 miles. Jon Warren who ought to know 
since he's seen enough endurance horses says the wall for horses is 
about 80 miles. He has often said the difference between a good 
endurance horse and a great one is the good ones manage to make it the 
last 20 and the great ones race the last 20.

I think there is a difference between the "wall" which is basically 
running low on glycogen and a psycholoical dip that normally comes about 
60 to 70 miles which also is the heat of the day. That dip they will 
normally recover from, but if the truly "hit the way" and are low on 
glycogen and need to go slow to finish if they do finish- they should 
recovered after you stop.

Truman

Chrystal Woodhouse wrote:

> HI :-) all this talk about 100's has got me thinking about  my first 
> 100 I want to do next June, however I have  question/concern that has 
> been buggin me for a few months. Last August I did 75 miles with my 
> awesome Morgan mare, :-)  Miss T, :-) ;-) we had done  3 yrs of 
>  25's.CTR"s and a year and  a half of 50's before the 75. Anyway my 
> rule for the day was to keep under 130 HR ( I think Angie gave me that 
> advice) which we did, ,my mare was awesome and strong all day  but on 
> the last loop she was TIRED!! That last 10 miles was just a slooow 
> trot/walk , although she was tired on that last loop, she vetted out 
> fine and the next morning was pulling me around the field. :-) I have 
> read a few times that sometimes horses just can't go more than 75 
> miles, that is their personal limit, however I wonder if this happens 
> to people/riders in general, I hope that had we kept on riding ( i.e 
> doing a 100 so we would have had another 25 miles to go) she would 
> have found her "second" wind. Does that happen? Or are 100 mile horses 
>  fine the whole 100 miles?  I thought that pacing going under a 130 
> was slow enough but I am thinking for  a 100 I will try to go slower 
> ,.( we did the 75 miles in just under 10 hours, not many hills but hot 
> and humid and then a couple of thunderstorms during the day to keep 
> things interesting. :-) So my question is are 100 mile horses 
> consistent for the whole 100 miles or do they wax and wane? Also does 
> having a "riding " buddy help in the last loop (s)?We tend to ride 
> alone but I was wondering if she would have been perkier that last 
> loop if another horse had been aorund. :-) 



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