RE: [RC] Old Age & Healthy - Bob MorrisLif: You wrote <<<I want to feed my horses the highest nutrition foods I can find for them, keep them stressed as little as possible through allowing them to live as naturally as possible and through how I manage and interact with them,>> Don't you find a bit of a conundrum in that statement? First you want to feed "the highest nutrition foods" but then you are "allowing them to live as naturally as possible" The two are not mutual. In the natural state the horse does not get the highest nutritional foods. They just are not available. The highest nutrition foods have been made that way through human intervention. Then "how I manage and interact with them' is counter to "live as naturally as possible". Once the human interacts to control the horse, it is no longer even close to living naturally. Human intervention has increased the life of the horse and the human. Is this good? It depends on your mental attitude! Increased human longevity leads to additional stress. Stress increases opportunities for disease to inhabit the body. Disease encourages the use of drugs to elongate life expectancy and the circle starts to close. You also state <<<Just doing a cursory search on longevity reveals a common thread among modern people who, as a group, used to enjoy vital, active lives even into their hundreds, who are, again as a group, dying younger and having more health problems (notably Sardenia and Okinawa where people routinely live into their 100s and are healthy and active).>>> Ever consider the fact of why we see these people living to older ages? Consider that these are the ones that lived, all the rest did not reach old age so they are not heard from. For every 100 year old, how many did not reach that age? Bob Bob Morris Morris Endurance Enterprises Boise, ID -----Original Message----- From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lif Strand Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 10:36 AM To: ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: [RC] Old Age & Healthy At 08:06 AM 3/21/2006, heidi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: Dr. Nik hit the nail on the head--a portion of being able to stay off of meds into old age is genetic, and a portion is exercise. Certainly our modern typical American fast-food and junk-food diet is a contributor---but one can "eat healthy" without going to extremes, and if one is blessed with decent genes and can combine reasonable eating habits with exercise, there is a good chance that one can live quite long before needing pharmacological help. You are right - there are many factors to being healthy in old(er) age. From what I read, genetics counts for about 30% of your overall health - a big chunk but not enough to keep you healthy. Genetics, exercise, stresses, food, water & air quality - ALL of it counts. You can't just dismiss one of the factors as not very important (not saying you are doing that, it was the generic "you"), and since we don't know enough about our individual genetic expressions of health, it seems pretty smart to keep the other 2/3 of the factors as high quality in our lives, and that of our horses, as possible. It is a real reach to suggest that older folks are on meds because they ate ground grains instead of whole grains, which is how your original post came across. Actually, my original post was that oats are less nutritious when rolled or crimped. And my comment about older folks on meds was a response to your comment in a later email saying "yet we tend to live to healthy ripe old ages" - my response was that I didn't agree, I think we humans these days are negating any tendency to live to *healthy* ripe old ages, and used the great number of people on prescription meds as evidence of why I believe that. Just doing a cursory search on longevity reveals a common thread among modern people who, as a group, used to enjoy vital, active lives even into their hundreds, who are, again as a group, dying younger and having more health problems (notably Sardenia and Okinawa where people routinely live into their 100s and are healthy and active). The common thread: a loss of family cohesiveness (stress), a change from active to sedentary lifestyle (exercise), and a change away from consumption of natural food (nutrition). Interestingly enough, Seventh Day Adventists, who also as a group tend toward longevity are not losing that tendency. But they remain vegetarians, they don't smoke, they are physically active and have strong family and community ties. Personally, I want to feed my horses the highest nutrition foods I can find for them, keep them stressed as little as possible through allowing them to live as naturally as possible and through how I manage and interact with them, and if I were still breeding, I'd breed for healthy constitutions as well as for great conformation and personality. ------------------------ Lif Strand, Research Associate Southwest Center for Resource Analysis Western New Mexico University (505) 773-4897 (505) 212-0108 FAX -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.6/286 - Release Date: 3/20/2006 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- =-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. 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