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RE: [RC] Heidi's vet notes - Jim HollandHeidi, you had the opportunity to back off on this....but I promised you would NOT have the last word.....so let's get it on. Fortunately, we have free speech in this country. UNFORTUNATELY, it also allows individuals to spread mis-information and unsubstantiated bullshit. First, I refer you to the following post that all should find interesting: http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/archives/past/03/10/msg00089.html You can follow the "thread" if you want the rest. I declined to post the Vet Committee Reports at that time because I thought it served no useful purpose regarding the issue at hand. However, perhaps at this time, it IS appropriate. So you say the problem was that we didn't "archive" the information? This is the text of a Vet Committee report that WOULD have been "archived". Vet names and ride names are omitted because that serves no useful purpose. This was dated August 20, 2002...my birthday. "Dear Executive Director, The veterinary Committee has reviewed the information concerning this fatality. No specific management or veterinary circumstances have been identified that may have prevented this fatality. Conditions at the ride did not seem extreme although humidity was reported to be medium to high and there was a moderate to severe climb in the trail. The rider was not the owner of the horse. The rider recognized the horse was not drinking well on the last loop and walked the horse in the last ~ 8 miles and completed the ride. It was after that when the horse developed signs of colic and treatment was started. In retrospect, this case points to the need for riders to be familiar with the mounts, their level of fitness and their drinking habits. It also points out that endurance riding has risks for the horses and that riders need to be aware of those risks. Continued rider education is indicated. Respectfully," Note there are NO details....everything else never left the Vet Committee Meeting. I have it on pretty good authority that the Vet Committee let the BoD "look" at the information, but no details were EVER kept. Hmmmm.."education"...what a concept...but no data saved to learn from! I also refer you to the Board Minutes, John Parke's motion here: http://www.aerc.org/Documents/BoardMinutes/Minutes20030313.htm Note the section on providing information to the membership. NOBODY said that Kerry Ridgeway or any other vet on the Vet Committee over the years, including you, did "nothing". However, they shared "nothing" on horse deaths with the membership, did NO studies on the collected data, only collected information from the head vet, and published NO detailed information OUTSIDE the Vet Committee that would be available even if it HAD been archived. AERC did not publish ANY information on horse deaths and denied access to that information to the membership until 2003. I have the documentation to prove it. In fact, AERC did not even send Vet Committee findings on horse deaths to Veterinarians not on the Veterinary Committee. Heidi, this is kinda fun. I hope you will continue to post on this subject. I still waiting for ANY documentation to substantiate any of this crap you are posting. Jim, Sun of Dimanche+, Mahada Magic Subject: Re: [RC] Heidi's vet notes It would certainly be interesting to compare the Vet notes you filled out and sent into the AERC with the records Jim Holland got. I'm sure you still have copies of all of that in your records? It might help clear up the discrepancy. Kathy, I do not have all those records--they were copious and seemed rather unnecessary in my last two moves. I do know that when the veterinary committee first formed (and I was its first chair), one of the things that was a priority was to start getting a consistent reporting form about treatments, pulls and deaths. -------- I do know that these got looked at by members of the veterinary committee at some point, as some were shared as learning cases at the CE meetings that started to be given at AERC convention--which was another wonderful thing that came out of the veterinary committee later. It IS a sorry thing that this stuff was not archived--but apparently nobody thought to make it a priority to ask the office staff to do so, and I have to admit that the thought never occurred to me that it would NOT be archived. (I'll bet that Kerry Ridgway and many subsequent veterinary committee chairs and members would also be surprised to learn from those malcontented individuals that they did "nothing" on their watches...) Heidi =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp Ride Long and Ride Safe!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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