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Horses do not "pull back" on the HiTies - because the dynamics are totally
different - being high overhead instead of chest level. And the arms do 
not rip
off the trailers!
Also, the flexible arm (either the big spring in the SpringTie or the 
fiberglass
 rod on the HiTie) and the bungee rope work together to create "give," which
neutralizes the horses urge to fight resistance.

The issue with the HiTies has been the question of using quick-release clasps
that can accidently open if the horse rubs it, and then the horse gets loose.
And if you don't like the idea of a bungee, use a cotton rope.

But overhead tying with these products, as well as high lines, are NOT 
THE SAME
DYNAMICS as tying at chest level to something like the side of a trailer or a
hitching post. These HiTies have been around for years, and they work great!

Terry
"May the Horse be with you"


Quoting Carol Suggs <limofunder@xxxxxxx>:

> Its been interesting reading these posts on this subject.  When I first saw
> those Hi Tie things for the trailers I thought, wow those are pretty cool,
> showed my husband and the first thing he says is:
>
> "Yeah, one pull back on that thing and the horse is going to rip it off the
> trailer and take off running with it chasing him from behind, what a wreck
> that would be in camp."
>
> Typically he is the optimist so I thought that comment funny.
>
> We never bought one.  We do use rope halters.  Our horses are good, but I
> have had one break a normal halter or two or a lead rope with a brass snap.
> With the rope halters, no hardware to break.
>
> I have to agree with Diane, we should be training our horses at home to
> behave how we want them to when they are away.  If your horse pulls back at
> home, he is probably going to pull back wherever you take him, so be
> prepared.  I'd rather use an old bike tire intertube and tie to that with my
> lead rope if I know my horse has a tendancy to pull back.  It gives some
> relief, but it also can break.
>
> The tie blocker rings that Clinton Anderson so endorses, seem like a good
> idea, but aren't those really almost teaching our horses to pull back?  I
> say if you use the tie blocker you'd better ALWAYS use it.  The only
> exception would be that I think I might get them for inside the trailer.  If
> the horse falls in the trailer or you are in an accident at least they can
> give themselves some relief without having to wait on you.
>
> Oh and regarding tying strong and short (short for me meaning eye or wither
> level to your horse), on our Exiss trailer...for some reason the tie rings
> on the outside pop right off with the least amount of pressure...I need to
> replace one already.  My friend had the same problem with her Exciss so she
> bought tie rings from Featherlight that actually bolt on to the inside of
> the trailer and those seem to be working fine.
>
> Carol-Mariposa
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Diane Trefethen" <tref@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <Ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 10:36 AM
> Subject: [RC] Tying to the trailer vs Bungees et al.
>
>
> > With all this talk on the dangers of bungees and hi-ties, I think it wise
> to ask why
> > we switched from just tying short to the trailer with a strong leadrope.
> I suspect
> > it was to make the horses more comfortable, from our human perspective,
> not because
> > tying short to a trailer was sufficiently dangerous that an alternative
> was required
> > for our horses' safety.  And now that we have corral-panels and hi-ties,
> are there
> > any statistics on which mode of confinement is safest, not just for the
> horse in
> > question but for other horses and people in camp as well?  I teach my
> horses to tie
> > short at home so they learn they can't get away when tied.  Then tying
> short to a
> > trailer at a ride is just same-old, same-old to them.  However, if the
> stats say that
> > tying short is more dangerous, I'd surely like to know.  BTW, tying short
> means just
> > that so you have to hang your hay & water high, above the trailer's wheel
> wells.
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