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RE: [RC] [RC] [RC] President's Cup - Laurie Durgin

I was thinking along those lines too. What percentage of our 'international competitiors' from the US. are professional or semi professional riders /breeders/trainers? (those who make money from endurance) And what perenctage just have a horse or two and it is just a hobby?('cuse me; passion)?


From: "Bob Morris" <bobmorris@xxxxxxxx>
To: "'Barbara McCrary'" <bigcreekranch@xxxxxxxxxx>,"'Nik Isahak Abdullah'" <drnikisahak@xxxxxxxxxxx>,<heidi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,<ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [RC] [RC] President's Cup
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 09:44:00 -0700

There is one aspect, in the comparison of the President's Cup type
competition and the competition as experienced elsewhere.

In the UAE and like societies, endurance competition, even owning a
horse for pleasure, is limited to the very upper levels of society. I
will be politically incorrect and state that, with minor exceptions,
only the rich can compete. In the USA and in OZ the "common man" can
compete and expect a chance win.

Many of the endurance riders in our top echelons of competition, now and
in the past, exemplify the "common man" not the hierocracy. It is this
possibility, this chance to come too the fore, that makes endurance
competition of the Aussie/American type so much more desirable to part
of the world.

That is, to me, the greatest reason to be part of the AERC and to extend
its principles.

Bob

Bob Morris
Morris Endurance Enterprises
Boise, ID
-----Original Message-----
From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Barbara McCrary
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 9:20 AM
To: Nik Isahak Abdullah; heidi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [RC] [RC] President's Cup


What a brilliant and thoughtful reply!!

Barbara

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nik Isahak Abdullah" <drnikisahak@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <heidi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
Subject: Re: [RC] [RC] President's Cup


> Heidi,Truman,and all
> Enjoyed reading your collective feelings on the President's Cup.Right
> from WEC 1998 onward up till now ,to be fair,and statistics do not
> lie,we all have to credit to where it deservedly belong.The guys in
> UAE have got it right as far as endurance at international level is
> concerned.You have to accept that US of A and the rest have been
> comphrehensively beaten in all major international meet except the WEC

> 1998 when Valerie Kanavy saved the day for the rest. Granted that UAE
> has got unlimited resources in acquiring the best horses with the best

> gene pool in the world.But nothing beat having thousands of riders and

> talented horses and multifaceted terrains and many hundreds of rides
> per year to choose a team from as what is happening in the States or
> for that matter France. At the end of the day if America wants to be a

> world power in endurance
you
> have got to get back to the drawing board!And stop talking about the
terrain
> or the weather.
> When Carl Lewis keep winning in successive olympics the rest of the
> world did not grudge the very "vulgar" sponsorship he obtained that
> spurred him
to
> the very pinnacle of success,the number of hours he can devote to
> training ,the bevy of hangers on  and advisers that attend to his
> every need and fancies.The rest of the world just marvel at Carl Lewis

> fullstop. During the cold war you Americans used the olympics as a
> vehicle to "browbeat" the ugly Russians and the East Germans every 4
> years or so.Sports,in whatever fields at the international level,are
> the the battleground of diplomacy and national supremacy,and the
> Americans are
fine
> exponents of these.So in this very monolithic world ,when small
> nations
can
> be smashed to smithereens when they they dare think differently,we
> must
give
> give credit to where it belong when tiny UAEcomphrehensively beat the
> rest of the world in a sport alien to their culture and lifestyle.You
> have got
to
> get back to the drawing board!Or change the goalposts!
>
>
> Yours Truly,
> Dr Nik Isahak Wan Abdullah
>
>
> >From: <heidi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: <rides2far@xxxxxxxx>
> >CC: <johnt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Subject: Re: [RC]   President's Cup
> >Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 21:59:33 -0700 (MST)
> >
> > >>From the statements made by the USA reps & the Australian's reps
> > >>about
> > > the non interest in FEI rides, I can't help but think that more
> > > and
more
> > > people are saying, "That's pretty amazing...but you go your way
> > > and we'll go ours". They want endurance to be an Olympic Sport,
> > > yet they
may
> > > be raising the bar so high that the very height of it will limit
> > > the countries who will compete...and who is interested in an
> > > Olympic competition with limited participation and total dominence

> > > by such a well financed, non inspiring machine?
> >
> >I think what the USA and Australian reps are saying is that "we have
> >something more all-encompassing in the sport we have at home."
> >
> >I have nothing against the FEI program--and in fact, I think it has
> >often given us valuable food for thought.  But it is shallow and
> >one-faceted, and as such, can never replace the sport as we know it
> >in countries where it has developed the different aspects and the
> >rich tradition that we
have
> >here, and that the Aussies likewise seem to have.
> >
> >I had meant to chime in on the comment where Valerie was quoted as
> >being concerned that we didn't have more FEI rides here.  I don't see

> >that as a concern at all.  We will have enough to get those who want
> >to participate in international rides qualified to do so.  Supply
> >tends to meet demand. And more power to those riders who can and who
> >desire it.  Meanwhile,
what
> >we have enables far more people to meet far more goals than FEI
> >possibly can.  And because so many more people have so many more
> >diversified goals that can be met riding just "plain old AERC rides,"

> >those will continue
to
> >prosper, FEI or no.
> >
> >Like Truman, if I were younger, I might enjoy taking my shot at the
> >brass ring.  But thank heavens the sport means more than that to
> >me--because it does, I CAN keep riding in my slower older years, with

> >goals such as amassing career miles, riding for regional awards,
> >riding for awards that require persistence and consistency, etc.  If
> >the brass ring was the only thing the sport had to offer, a great
> >many of us would have no place in it.
> >
> >Heidi
> >
> >
> >============================================================
> >Riding alone is when you teach a horse all the "tools" and "cues" he
needs
> >to handle the trail, to hold a speed, deal with hills, etc. It's also
where
> >you develop the "bond" that causes him to "defer" to you before
> >losing
his
> >cool.
> >~ Jim Holland
> >
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> Riding alone is when you teach a horse all the "tools" and "cues" he
> needs to handle the trail, to hold a speed, deal with hills, etc. It's

> also
where
> you develop the "bond" that causes him to "defer" to you before losing

> his cool. ~ Jim Holland
>
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