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Re: [RC] [RC] [RC] Weight division question answer - Howard Bramhall

First of all, let me repeat my apology to Melanie. A gregious error on my part and it bothers me more than I can say. I was a complete asshole.

I'm going to take a break from RC. I think some of ya'll might enjoy that so, Happy Valentine's Day, a tad early, from me. lol.

I just want to finish this by saying I have probably lost it when it comes to the Horse Welfare in our sport. I've gone over that edge. The biggest hope for me is our AERC Board of Directors, specifically Stagg Newman, all the members of the HWC, and, John Parke. Everything I've been reading lately seems to say that there will be some change down the road and, for us to acknowledge that one is such a great step in the right direction.

These steps might be tiny ones, at first. I do hope some of the decisions become mandatory ones, for, as great as education is, it's voluntary, and most of our volunteers in this country seem to have signed up for military duty and are not with us in the numbers that we need. We need 100 per cent, and, that will not happen unless the changes are mandatory ones.

Please support those who support the changes. The time has come and it's so important we need to pay attention as to what is going on and who is supporting it and who is not. Please, like our national election coming up, get involved. Do it for the horse because, it is he who must always come first in our sport. And, it is us who will or, will not, make that happen.

cya,
Howard


From: Michael Maul <mmaul@xxxxxxxxx>
To: Nancy Mitts <mitts_n@xxxxxxxxxxx>
CC: ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [RC]   [RC] Weight division question answer
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 11:51:38 -0600

I've confirmed the weight division question with the office and it's exactly as Nancy says below and Heidi posted earlier.

If you lose weight after June 1 and drop to a lower weight division - you will need to carry weight to make up the amount necessary for the weight division you have with the office June 1.

In practice this only matters if you place in the top 10 in that weight division because there are no division points after the 10th placing in a category.

One better solution that was suggested is to change to the lighter category prior to June 1. You can always ride heavier than a division and it's your incentive to lose the weight...:-)

And no - your points do not follow from one division to another if you change prior to June 1. This means that a rider may have points in 2 weight divisions. If they ride a lot in a region where there are a small number of members - in principle - it's possible for them to place in 2 weight divisions. For members who do care how they accumulate points - it's important for them to consider the "loss" of those points if they change weight divisions. This may mean carrying weights.

Your points do follow to a new region if you change before June 1.

The statement below: Even if someone isn't going for points, the placement they take in a particular weight division affects the points of the other riders. Even if they are not a member of AERC they "take" the points from their particular placement in a weight division.

Non-members do not get any points and have no weight division. I don't see how they can affect AERC member points.

Mike



Nancy Mitts wrote:

It wouldn't hurt to point out here that the weight minimum must be met, no matter where AERC will record the points. So if the registered HW person losing weight after June 1 continues to ride, and AERC will not change their weight division, their "points" are actually for nothing if they do not carry the minimum weight in some fashion. A rider's weight may be challenged at any time by another rider. So if someone riding HW is challenged at a ride & weighs only 200#, and it's past the date to change divisions, they would have to be disqualified. Someday, this will happen to someone who is placing in a division and be a real mess. Of course there would be no way to go back and "prove" their weight at previous rides.
Even if someone isn't going for points, the placement they take in a particular weight division affects the points of the other riders. Even if they are not a member of AERC they "take" the points from their particular placement in a weight division. Monte won the Central Region HW 5 times and 2nd place 4 times (9 years straight) even though he would be near the pack of the ride. So, this does affect everyone in the ride, even at the back of the pack.
I have tried to point out in the past the potential problems with the way the office has been doing this, but no one else seemed to see a problem. Actually I'll bet most of the riders don't even know this is really happening. The people who do change weight divisions part way through the year are taking their points already accrued with them from one weight division to another. This would/should change the points for everybody in every ride they have done in that weight division, as well as the division they are changing into.

Nancy Mitts


From: Michael Maul <mmaul@xxxxxxxxx>
Let's say you were a MW and then lost weight do you change to
a LW?
***** Only if you cross the boundary from MW to LW with all your tack. If you did - you need to notify the AERC office before June 1. You can change your weight division(and region) up to that date. After that date your weight division can't be changed again until the next ride season starts on Dec. 1. If you are a HW on June 1 and lose 100 lbs - all your results for the rest of the season will still be entered as HW.


Obviously it is advantages to be a light middle weight if you are going
for points or whatever, but what about the everyday rider who finishes at the
back. Does it really matter?"

***** No in my view...

Mike Maul


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