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Not again - RE: Re: [RC] UAE - StephTeeterThis subject has been hashed and rehashed on this list. All opinions have been expressed, over and over and over. I don't want it to start again on Ridecamp. Steph -----Original Message----- From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Howard Bramhall Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 8:24 AM To: ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: FW: Re: [RC] UAE Forwarded with permission: The sad thing is, that very rule is on their books. It's how their current law reads. Means absolutely nothing. They wrote it for the outside world to read and believe. Unfortunately, it's a law that does not exist,whatsoever. Our riders will most likely go over there in Jan. They're training right now, down here in Florida. They've prepared for this for quite awhile and, well, I'm sure they will all be going. And, with them, they will take the American Flag. And, fly it high, in a land where slavery is still prevalant. Their horses will travel on the very grounds, the desert sand, where, below, is buried many a young child who was abducted from a foreign land solely for the pleasure and enjoyment of the Sheikhs. For whatever reason, they, the Sheikhs, require a being who weighs less than 50 lbs to ride their camels. And when the 4 year old boy falls off the Sheikh's camel, during a race or even during training, his young, underfed frame trampled to death by the camel, the desert land is where his remains are placed, hidden from the outside world, in an unmarked grave. And, as our flag flies high, carried by one of our very own American endurance riders, in this foreign land where slavery still occurs, one might ask if we will continue looking the other way on this issue. For you see, the grave is unmarked, so, this reinforces the belief you cannot really see them at all. Will we continue accepting their ticket to ride for free, free travel, free lodging, free food, lavish parties or will we actually have the wherewithal to one day say NO? How many more young bodies will continue to be buried in the deserts of UAE before we actually do anything??? How long will we continue to look the other way? How long will we continue to ride alongside and compete with Slave Traders? How long will our flag be carried in a land where young boys are buried, in unmarked graves? And, nobody seems to care at all. cya, Howard ----Original Message Follows---- From: Teresa Van Hove Reply-To: AERCMembersForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To: AERCMembersForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [AERCMembersForum] UAE Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 10:52:45 -0700 One wonders why the UAE camel racing org does not simply declare that camels will carry a minimum of 110 lbs. It would be very easy to weigh the jockey and 'saddle' before each race, just as they do in horse racing. Having a country law with an age and weight limit, but not an association rule of a minimum weight with weigh ins suggests they are not serious about making the change yet. If camels are not hardy enough to race carrying 110 lbs w/o breaking down then they should do as Qatar and switch to robotic jockeys. As for what AERC should do. I agree this Tim - there is a whole range of options, certainly I am strongly against AERC accepting any sponsorship from any entity associated in any way with UAE camel racing at this time. There should be some discussion as to whether EN should refuse to accept advertisements from same. It would be pretty harsh at this point to say that individual rides accepting UAE sponsorship would only count for mileage, no points accumulation for participants- but this is something we might consider if these allegations are proved true with no indication that constructive actions, such as jockey weigh ins before camel races are going to be taken by the UAE. AERC might also say that AERC international cannot use EN or other AERC venues to promote activities associated with UAE events -- only general AERC international info and information about other international endurance events. I don't think AERC should decide whether individuals go and ride in the UAE. Just my opinion of things AERC should think about. Teresa Van Hove On Wednesday, November 10, 2004, at 07:53 PM, timmiller_17963 wrote:If the leadership decides to explore this issue further, and it is found there is merit to the allegations, the question becomes now what? It's obvious there is a whole lot of ground between Boycott and Do Nothing. Threats generally don't work, unless one holds overwhelming leverage. Not the case here, although there is some measurable leverage in my opinion. It's a matter of how it's used. Not sure even a public pronouncement at this point makes sense, there may be merit in individuals familiar with the alleged misdoers to privately and diplomatically convey a sense of unease on behalf of some of the membership over this issue. Doesn't have to be an 'official' position, subtle persuasion can be an effective tactict.----Original Message Follows---- From: "Howard Bramhall" <howard9732@xxxxxxx> Reply-To: AERCMembersForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To: AERCMembersForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [AERCMembersForum] UAE Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 18:19:35 -0500 _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? 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