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Re: FW: Re: [RC] UAE - heidiPLEASE, Howard, while we appreciate your passion, have the decency to tell the truth. Some of us are SICK AND TIRED of having you repeatedly suggest that anyone who does not agree with you about what we should do here is uncaring or immoral. And do your homework--find out just how much of a "free ride" our riders get. I would challenge you to pay the same price that they are paying to go, in order to support the cause of the abused young boys in the UAE. It is entirely possible to be moral, caring, and patriotic, and still be utterly disgusted with your repeated exhortations on this and the AERC list, and to have strong feelings that we are doing much more to be moral, caring, and patriotic to GO and be present. Below is a post that I sent to the AERC list in response to Truman: The juxtaposition of this can't help but except me. The American flag is more than a few pieces of fabric sewn together. The flag carries the sprit of every man that fell in defense of his country. Many of those fell in the American Civil war - a war to rid the United States from the barbaric practice of slavery. Truman, that is a nice pat thing to say. Unfortunately, it is not historically accurate. The Civil War was fought about states' rights, not about slavery. Although there were certainly strong abolishionist movements in the North, many who fought on the Union side had no use for blacks and cared little for whether slavery was outlawed or not--they were fighting to keep the Union intact. And on the Southern side, three in four men who took up arms did not own slaves and had no vested interest in slavery--they were fighting to defend the rights of their home states to make decisions, free from encumberment from the Federal government. Had the conflict been over slavery, many of those people would have fought on the other side. But to most of them, it was a lesser issue than the invasion of their homeland--and it was a part of their culture, rightly or wrongly. The Emancipation Proclamation that freed the slaves was not even done until 1863--over halfway through the Civil War. If you want to get a better idea of what the Civil War was really about (beyond the superficial version that we teach in our elementary schools) you might want to read THE RISE AND FALL OF THE CONFEDERACY, by Jefferson Davis. It is a very in-depth look at the dirty politics of the time. (I know that I, for one, despite being appalled at the very notion of slavery, am a secessionist at heart--I should have been a Southerner!) That said, I agree fully that the American flag is a heck of a lot more than a few strips of cloth. It is a powerful symbol, and as such, has great meaning throughout the world. Whether you love it or hate it, the symbolism is there. (And I happen to love it dearly.) I hope whoever carries this flag understands he is carrying the collective conscience of the American people and the sprit of the 360,000 Union troops that died to rid the United States of slavery during the civil way. Again, Truman, let's get real. The North had an abominable record for how it treated blacks prior to the Civil War, and that didn't change afterward. If anything, it got even worse with the number of impoverished blacks who came north to get away from the lynchings, etc. that were happening in the South. The only jobs available to them were menial labor (they were only welcome in the country club if they were wearing white jackets and passing trays, or were in the back cooking). It has taken us well over a century post-war to get any sort of equity for black Americans in this country. My father can remember having a group of black evangelists come to his church when he was a kid here in Idaho--they were treated far more kindly here than in many parts of the country, but nonetheless, it was unthinkable to even consider getting them rooms at a local hotel, as that was completely out of the question. Instead, they had to be lodged and fed in private homes. This was the 1930s. In the early 1960s, I can remember going to Missoula, Montana (we had no blacks here in Salmon at the time) and only seeing blacks in the roles of Pullman porters, luggage handlers, cooks, busboys, and highway workers doing manual labor. It took another major social movement (which you yourself have cited--Rosa Parks, MLK, etc.) to gain any sort of equitable treatment for a whole race of people in this country. Now, 140 years after the Emancipation Proclamation, we are finally seeing equitable treatment in most parts of the country, and blacks now sit in Cabinet posts, serve as doctors and lawyers, and have a shot at "the American dream." I daresay our flag means a heckuva lot more about human rights now than it did in 1865. That said, partly because our flag IS such a powerful symbol, I'm proud that our riders carry it into parts of the world where slavery still exists. Its very presence makes a strong statement. I'm saddened that so many here look upon our riders as "accepting a free ride" by going to the UAE. They are paying dearly to go. I'd challenge those of you who suggest that they are merely sponging off the UAE to ante up what our riders and our National Federation have done to be able to go. You might be surprised. (No, since you think it is a free ride, I GUARANTEE you will be surprised.) And I proudly support their going, to stand tall under a flag that MEANS SO MUCH in terms of human rights and our own struggles to achieve same. May that same flag wave in areas where there are slaves, to help to give hope and courage to those who suffer and to those who work to end the suffering. And given how long it took our own country, with its vocal abolishionists active for many years even BEFORE the Civil War, to come to any equitable treatment of black Americans, as incensed as we may be over the plights of slaves in other countries, we have to be honest and understand that no changes happen overnight, and that ANY positive effect we can have by lending our presence and our conscience to the situation is a step in the right direction, even if we don't see an immediate about-face. I'm grateful for the cooler heads here who can understand that in our disapproval, it is still imperative to keep a relationship and communications with the UAE in order to make a difference. 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