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Hey Heidi
This one made it through my filter-- don't know why--- and don't know 
why you are writing me--- I haven't posted to you and won't in the 
future except to clarify something. I never named you as the DWR but now 
that you are "bringing in the troops" be aware that I have NO ONE else 
in your special position. You have sent mean email-- both private and 
public to me and a lot of other folks, some of whom have emailed me 
about it. I know of no one else on ridecamp who consistently does 
this--- not Maria, not Joe, not Lynn so stop trying to put words in my 
mouth. All of the others can disagree without venom and I am not talking 
only about this one recent subject. Your history goes back a long ways 
and it looks like Linda already addressed that issue with you. I had 
nothing to do with Linda's note to you so why the email to me? I have 
never harpooned you  and if people knew who I had on the DWR ("delete 
without reading" list) then it is because they have read your mean email 
to me in the past on ridecamp--- it didn't come from me.
If you can find even one email from me where I have slammed your 
breeding program, the height of your horses... ANYTHING.. then I guess I 
will owe you an apology. When I encouraged Erin and told her not to get 
too upset about a few people who write mean things, I never pointed to 
you until you just pointed to yourself.  I have never sent you an email 
that has been the least bit hurtful.
There--- you've let the cat out of the bag that you indeed were the one 
I was referring to as mean-- you and you alone. It is just my experience 
with you and does not reflect on anyone else--- perhaps you are kinder 
to others. If so, I'm happy. I can live without further interaction with 
you (and yes, my email from ridecamp are also considerably less time 
consuming).
So even if another one of your posts get through my filter, this is the 
last response you will get from me. I shovel enough sh..t out in 
pasture; I don't need to bring it into my computer!
Bette

Linda Hedgpeth wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: heidi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:heidi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: woa@xxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:woa@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 11:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [RC] Horses!!! stop with the height
>  
> PS:  Sorry, can't help it if it is construed as "mean" to share facts,
> figures, and observances.  I know Bette's post is meant as a personal
> harpoon toward me and perhaps toward Maria (who is the only other CMK
> breeder who has responded to this thread)--but I consider us to be in good
> company among Joe Long, Lynne Glazer, and the several other regular
> contributors (who also happen to RIDE!) who have likewise stated their
> observations about balanced, middle-of-the-road horses.  It is sad indeed
> when frankness and openness about a subject are attacked as "meanness" by
> a few who can't come up with anything better than personal slams.
>
> Heidi,
>  
> I think I first starting reading this list in 97.   I got interested 
> in endurance and wanted to learn all I could.   I have learned much 
> more than I have been able to apply.   A divorce in 99-2000 - a move 
> in 2000 - purchasing property and developing it beginning in 01 - and 
> for the last two years, being sole caregiver for my elderly Mother who 
> has AZ, has put a huge crimp in my endurance plans.
>  
> However, I have been a regular reader here, mostly lurking.   I first 
> met Bette Lamore in 98.   I went to see her stallion and we became 
> friends.   I ended up breeding two mares to him.  Back then, I don't 
> think she even had a computer, although I believe Mark used one in his 
> work.   I told her about ridecamp and encouraged her to get her butt 
> online and join in.   I also encouraged her to get a website done for 
> her horses.   Before long, the rascal was not only online, but she 
> taught herself how to do web design.   She did her website and has 
> done some for others as well.  
>  
> Anyway, she started reading ridecamp and probably started posting here 
> in 99.   Bette doesn't have a lot of personal endurance experience, 
> but she has spent a lifetime with horses, mostly Arabians.    When 
> anyone on ridecamp would ask a question about something, she would 
> always try to help if she could.
>  
> I remember back then, you began responding to her posts, although not 
> much.  At that time you were involved in the wars with TI.    Those 
> battles lasted seemingly forever, until he left or got booted 
> off.......I dunno.......all of a sudden he was gone.
>  
> Sometime after that you started poking little subtle digs at things 
> Bette would write.   I think I picked up on it before she did.   
> However, before too much more time, she noticed it as well, and then 
> she started getting private email from other people about your jabs at 
> her.
>  
> I will have to give you credit for subtlety.   You write very well and 
> are able to pick your words very cleverly so they won't sound like an 
> obvious dig........instead a very quiet, very sly one.   
>  
> Anytime something would come up on the list about bloodlines, origins, 
> stallions, conformation, size, breeding, etc., no matter what Bette 
> would write, you would always counter it or discount it in some 
> manner....or spin it so your responses appear right and hers not quite 
> right..........always so subtly.   
>  
> Bette has horses that are mostly Russian or Polish or a combination of 
> bloodlines.   You have CMK.   However, to hear you tell it, your 
> breeding program and your horses are the best horses out there and CMK 
> horses are the only ones fit to ride.   I am not arguing any of 
> this.   I feel there are good individuals to be found in many 
> bloodlines.   I'm not debating what is the best.  I am only pointing 
> out the tone of your posts in the past toward Bette, her horses and 
> things she has posted.
>  
> For a long time, Bette ignored your little pokes at whatever she 
> said.   It has only been this last year or so that she has started 
> defending herself and has, at times, gotten irritated.   Frankly, she 
> was gracious far longer than many would have been.  
>  
> I will be the first to say that I have learned a lot from many of your 
> posts and I agree with a lot of what you say.....not that it matters 
> what I think.   However, you do have a little streak in you that 
> insists on being right and insists on having the last word.   Perhaps 
> that's why the Heidi/TI wars lasted so long.   Both you and he 
> are people who need to be right and need to have the last word.
>  
> Bette has never put you down and or put down your horses.   She has 
> great appreciation for the foundation lines.   Until lately, she has 
> been friendly, light, and gracious.    Your constant jabs and digs 
> about pretty much anything she wrote in her posts finally took it's 
> toll and she started addressing them.   Then you act all surprised - 
> like you don't know what you've been doing.   There are a good many 
> people that have written her in private, that have noticed it too.    
> They, for whatever reason, didn't want bring it up here.........even 
> though this list is where they read the jabs.   Perhaps they don't 
> want to be flamed by your friends....like I will be.
>  
> I don't care about flames.   You started this thing with Bette a long 
> time ago.   You could have been nicer about some of the things you 
> wrote and you could have been as gracious as she was toward you, for a 
> very long time.   Somewhere along the line, I guess Bette became your 
> new target.    It's a shame.   She is really a very nice person.   I 
> know for a fact, she will go to the ends of the world to help someone.   
>  
> You know, we all have our faults.   I'll bet you even have one or 
> two.   You started this little nastiness a long time ago.   It has 
> festered a long time and now has turned into a big, ugly boil. 
>  
> It's not always about being right - or having the last word - or being 
> "righter" than everyone else - or having the only Arabs in the world 
> worth riding - or putting down other people's horses - or other 
> people's tastes because they happen to like Arabs over 15 hands.    
> It's a great big world full of variety........and at least ten "right" 
> ways to do most anything.
>  
> Linda Hedgpeth
>  
> PS:  My hat is off to you in the area of time management.   Not only 
> do you manage a ranch, run a horse breeding operation, have a 
> veterinary practice, vet endurance rides, train to/and compete in 
> endurance races, you also have the time every day to write quite a 
> number of very lengthy posts to ridecamp.   Your typing wpm must be 
> around 200.....or the days where you live have more than 24 hours.  


--
Bette Lamore
Whispering Oaks Arabians
Home of Bunny and 16.2h TLA Halynov
who lives on through his legacy Hal's Riverdance!
http://www.arabiansporthorse.com

Always remember: "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." (George Carlin)




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