Truman said, in part, "...Can we move on to beating on LDer's now?" Sure. I'm about to do one this weekend and hope for a completion althought LD does not come out of my mouth. I do 25 mile distance rides or 30 mile distance rides (that's what this weekend is). I really liked it at the rides where I have been (PNER) when the 25 milers were listed in order of finish rather than alphabetical. It might have something to do with a last name beginning with "Y" !