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RE: [RC] Preventing Treated Horses - Bob MorrisStagg: You posted <<<One of the problems I believe we have is we do not have good data on which horses are being treated, where they were in the ride, both in places, and in miles into ride, which rides (LD, 50s, or 100s), etc. As Jeanie says, we just don't know.>>> Again look at the cause not the effect. Why do we not have the required data. Our past Boards have mandated the collection of some of it but these requirements have always been ignored. As you are no doubt aware I am one of those "data freaks" who never get enough. I have asked numerous times and the requests go by unheeded. At each and ever call for additional information, opposition is expressed that it would cause undue hardship on the ride management and the vets. The exact parties that would benefit the most from it. And then when a bit of information is acquired it is suppressed and made not available for analysis, again by those most likely to benefit. Can this trend be modified? Perhaps but I am not holding my breath. Bob Bob Morris Morris Endurance Enterprises Boise, ID -----Original Message----- From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Stagg_Newman@xxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 12:16 PM To: ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [RC] Preventing Treated Horses Linda, Thanks for the idea. You may want to take a look at the proposal of Mathew MacKay Smith's (HOF AERC Vet and rider and only person to have won both Tevis and OD in the same year on the same horse). Mathew also has a proposal to elimiate racing by creating broad categories. I do not have a copy of his proposal but believe it was EN not too far back. One key question is whether a majority of the membership would support such a proposal. I am not sure that eliminating placings would eliminate 90% of treated horses. Frequently the treated horses are not front runners but rather middle of the pack horses who just are not right that day or who are unconsiously being overridden for what they can do. ( Heidi, you have vetted many rides, any thoughts on whether most horses needing treatment are front running or further back?) One of the problems I believe we have is we do not have good data on which horses are being treated, where they were in the ride, both in places, and in miles into ride, which rides (LD, 50s, or 100s), etc. As Jeanie says, we just don't know. I have certainly seen cases where overriding has led to need for treatment. But I have also known many cases where horses needing treatment were in the middle of the pack and were not apparently being overridden. In fact at the '96 World Championship, where I was on the Appeals Committe, several of the horses that got into trouble were the ones trying to make the maximum time (19 hours I believe) i.e. at the back of the pack. So one thing we need is better data. So my hypotheses is we still need to consider the combination of exit checks and better rider education to try to prevent treatmet of many of the horses that "surprise us". Some days our horses may just not be right but they cannot tell us or we do not know how to listen well enough. Stagg nevadaghostrid r@xxxxxxxxx (L To: Stagg_Newman@xxxxxxxxxxxx Eisele) cc: ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 02/12/2003 Subject: Re: [RC] Preventing Treated Horses at Rides - Ideas Please 08:18 PM Eliminate placings except for BC!!!!!!!!!!! That would take care of 90% treated horses...people would ride slower. Do top 10 for BC only. Linda Linda Eisele & LS Lakota hubby Allen & LS Iceman 2 great sons-Blue & Nick canine Scooby, feline Tuna nevadaghostridr@xxxxxxxxx Reno, Nevada +---------------------------------------------------------+ This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. +---------------------------------------------------------+ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- =-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp Ride Long and Ride Safe!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- =-=-=-=-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp Ride Long and Ride Safe!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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