lonnie thank you. I am brand new to this list, and in fact have never competed in anything. I ride a spotted saddle mare, and altho she may never place, may never do a 50, may never even do a 25, I LOVE her, and am hoping to be able to find something slightly competitive with her. Something that will bring a little spark back in riding. You know, a goal. I appreciate your post very much. If you love your critter, as i love her, i dont have to win. I just have to spend time with my gal and enjoy what i am doing. anyway i am glad i found this list. i am learning a lot as i read. lori