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Re: [RC] [RC] Rascal, the hackamore and 1st.Trailride - Laurie Durgin

Oh I know about the "tug of War"!I learned to brace and even use a pulley rein. But I to got tired of my back being sore and didn't want a battle. The Waterford bit seemed to stop that, he doesn't mind it at all and when I had to really brace it, he slowed down a lot quicker without the bucks.Still not perfect, but a plain snaffle is not enough on the trail when he "wants his way". I did pick up a mylar hinged snaffle used and was trying it when we ran into the tush's in the wrong place" thing.Between the vet and I playing phone tag, and my daughters accident it hasn't gotten done yet, and now I'm giving everything for a new truck engine. >sigh< So I am trying to work with the hackamore, be nice all around if it works.
I think the tip off was when we I dismounted and walked a bit(I consider it the equivelent of leaving the room when you really want to kill your kid:} and then I calmly mounted again,and we walked and trotted off and did some direction changes, speed changes etc. and he was fine, and listened . Surprise ,cause of the leerage or just a tantrum cuss he couldn't have his way.Or maybe both.He is a pretty forgiving horse though. Not ever mean or sneaky, just has "Napolean moments".Thanks Laurie and Rascal("mom! I'll never make friends if you keep telling stories about me!!!"






From: Rides 2 Far <rides2far@xxxxxxxx>
To: ladurgin@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [RC]   Rascal, the hackamore and 1st.Trailride
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:48:45 -0500

Sounds a little like Kaboot. He simply hates any form of leverage action.
Donna Snyder Smith suggested I try a slow twist snaffle. I don't have one
but would like to try. I'm tired of being pulled on, but he goes with a
lower head and round in the snaffle. Even when he behaves in the English
hack he travels with his head higher.  The *only* time he ever bucks is
maybe at the start of a race in the hackamore when he tries to pull and
feels the hack and throws a fit. In the snaffle we would simply engage in
a mighty tug of war for 12 miles at that point.  Once he relaxes he is
very responsive to the snaffle.  The snaffle & English hack are the
onlythings I've found that I can ride him in. He acts like the hack is
strong, whereas my friend rides a horse who has to be switched to the
snaffle when he won't obey the hack...as if the snaffle is stronger.

Angie

On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 21:53:45 -0500 "Laurie Durgin" <ladurgin@xxxxxxx>
writes:
> Well after 3 rides in the arena and us trying to figure out the
> hackamore
> thing (mechnical, english ).I found:1.He stops alot better(always
> been a
> bugaboo in the snaffle), with less intense pressure(saves my
> back).2.)less
> lateral  refinement(how can you do lateral work in a hackamore?)
> Luckily he
> has always been leg responsive, which stood me in good sted.3.)I can
> see
> where neckreining would be useful. We had worked on neckreining
> before and
> he had picked it up in the ring,easily. Even tried it on the trail a
> few
> times and if he isn't "in a hurry" he responded well.
> So it was nice , quiet day (as in no 4 wheelers had been out our
> way).
> So I thought , "what the heck, I can always get off". So out we
> headed.
> Loose rein, easy walk didn't want to go too far in case I had to
> hike
> back(as in he might freadk with the hack).I stopped him a couple
> times
> gently and let him graze a bit, trotted a bit. All was fine ,TILL
> the BIG
> TURNAROUND.(no dejavu, , but he occasionally tries "to go home h--ll
> bent
> for leather.Well this was one of those times.I had to slow him
> through some
> slippery mudder ruts and rocks and he started "fighting "  me ,
> again.I
> couldn't circle him because of the width and conditions on the
> section of
> trail we were on. So I had to resort to a tug and release .Wellit
> was either
> too harsh, or the hack was overwhelmiing to him, He started throwing
> his
> headand I believe taking tiny crowhops, such that as soon as we got
> out of
> the bad section I could turn himand dismount.
> Ok, I walked  about 1/2 mile, frustrated at first.Then as I walked I
>
> pondered ths situation. He reacted like he had when I used the
> pelham, long
> ago.Perhaps a curb chin was too harsh, maybe I should switch to the
> nylon
> strap and looser.Maybe I couldn't use a hack, because,1)it was too
> harsh and
> he  fights rather than submit,2) or he is just hurt and is just
> reacting to
> too much pressure. Yet, he just may be being a brat and thinks he
> can get
> away with it.(he responed fine inthe arena)
> This actually wasn't totally unexpected and (I wasn't really
> frightedned
> like I was before,just annoyed).It could also be this section of
> trail .Last
> year this was my favortite fast, sustained trotting section and he
> likes to
> go here anyway.Also close to "dinner time" always stinkier in the
> evening
> going toward home.Maybe I need to go back to the waterford after he
> gets his
> teeth fixed(if the vet ever sets up the appointment).
> Anyway I decided I wasn't walking all the way home, so after my 1/2
> mile ,
> he was calm. I remounted and we walked loose reined, as if nothing
> had
> happened."you brat"I said, "what's the deal?" Then we did some
> circles and
> trotting, and turning around and trotting onthe rest of the way back
> , like
> nothing had happened (almost, he got a little excited,then I would
> turn him
> and reverse directions till he walked slowly).
> Then the "GUN" went off, "Great, and it sounds like one of those
> black
> powder cannons he has". Neghbor and the arsenal he has, shoots 1-4
> days a
> week and  I have to pass his drive  50 feet from where he sits
> shooting.
> Rascal flinchedenough I decide to walk the last 1/2 mile, (they hear
> his
> shooting and are pretty used to it, but this was loud as a
> cannon,and they
> get jumpy when it's the really loud ones.)
> So I haven't given up yet, will switch the chain with a looser strap
> and
> choose another trail. May also do more arena work in it.(has
> sheepskin cover
> leather noseband). It could just have been him testing it and
> "freaking"when
> I tightened it.
> (note:We have been riding these trails for about 1.5 years now or
> maybe it's
> 2 now.But first time in a hackamore).
> Laurie and Rascal(the maybe hacamore horse).
>
>
>
>
>
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