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Re: [RC] Changing Vet/Pulse Criteria - Jim HollandEd... Please re-read the proposed change. It wouldn't MATTER to you UNLESS you were in the Top Ten. The 15 minute recovery ONLY APPLIES TO HORSES IN THE TOP TEN. Now on the other hand, if you had raced for 10th and 11th place, and you took 10th but didn't recover in 15 minutes, you would lose your Top Ten, but it would have NO effect on your completion. Your horse would ALSO have to have recovered in 15 minutes at all PREVIOUS vet checks. So race all you want below the Top Ten...has NO effect under current rules on completions. In basic terms, it says that if you run in the Top Ten, your horse must recover in 15 minutes at every vet check and the finish. Otherwise, simply doesn't apply. Can't see how anyone could object to that! Personally, I don't have a problem with you racing for 13th...I just would have saved that little bit of horse for next time! :) Jim, Sun of Dimanche+, and Mahada Magic roleyed@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: In answer to why race...Because it was terribly fun and didn't put my horse at any more risk than anyone elses who may have raced in the 1-10th places and may not have come down at 15 minutes. I do not see where the extra 5-10 minutes at the end of the ride "endangered" my horse and he has been well since. Heck, the only difference between top 10 and 13th would have been a halter or some such thing so what good does it do to race in the top 10? I'll tell ya why, cuz its fun for them too and that's why I am here and I believe I take good care of my horse. EdFrom: Jim Holland <lanconn@xxxxxxx> Date: 2003/11/20 Thu PM 03:15:18 EST To: roleyed@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, Ridecamp <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [RC] Changing Vet/Pulse Criteria Huh? Ed, why in the world would you "race" for 13th place? You get the same amount of points, the same "T-Shirt" or whatever for 101st place that you do for 13th. In position under 10th is a completion, and nothing else. In addition, why would you place your horse under metabolic stress and take a chance of injuring him when you KNEW the conditions were not favorable? Perhaps I don't understand....or misread your post. If so, I humbly apologize for my assumption above. If not, this is EXACTLY why we need this rule. If it were in place, you would probably NOT have raced for 13th place...and not put your horse in harms way just for the "fun" of racing. IMHO, you just made the point that it is "absolutely clear" that this rule change WOULD make a difference in horse welfare and change rider behavior. Jim, Sun of Dimanche+, and Mahada Magic roleyed@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:I'm a heavyweight riding a grade horse which is a "heavy"(turbo charged Morgan/Arab cross with heavy duty towing package per Angie) 15H 1000lb horse. Generally, I ride to complete with a goal of going as fast as we can can go in a quest to do a little better than last time. Sometimes I even do get close to Top 10(talking 50's) and often am the first HW. We would generally meet this new criteria for the vet checks but having "raced" at the end of one 50 in warmer weather than my horse was used to(early April in Georgia coming from mtns of NC) ended up not meeting pulse criteria until 20-25 minutes at end of ride. Horse was fine. Never had a metabolic pull. Few lameness pulls. We would have not gotten a "place"(13th) on this ride with the proposed criteria. I guess a question I have here is would this "handicap" non-arab, not so tiney hiney players? I would recommend we not proceed headlong into changing rules until it is absolutely clear rule changes will actually make ! a di! fferencein horse welfare. Ed Roley & Sawyer =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp Ride Long and Ride Safe!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-- Richard T. "Jim" Holland Three Creeks Farm 175 Hells Hollow Drive Blue Ridge, GA 30513 (706) 258-2830 FAX (706) 632-1271 AR KI4BEN -- Richard T. "Jim" Holland Three Creeks Farm 175 Hells Hollow Drive Blue Ridge, GA 30513 (706) 258-2830 FAX (706) 632-1271 AR KI4BEN =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp Ride Long and Ride Safe!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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