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Re: [RC] What is Endurance? - Joe LongOn Sun, 2 Nov 2003 13:03:22 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time), "Joane Pappas White" <Lyoness@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: I will always respect your right to your opinions. If you had read all of my post in its totality before you began to respond to pieces of it, I did ... I always do, to do otherwise is foolish. you would certainly have understood that I am opposed to the Real endurance/non endurance attitude that fosters a separation of lifetime miles and an us vs. them attitude between LD and REAL endurance riders. I believe my whole point was that there is room for everyone in this sport----juniors, seniors, rookies, newbies, 50 milers, 100's----I encourage the inclusion of all of them as endurance riders in the AERC. I encourage the inclusion of all of their miles in their lifetime mileage totals. I also encourage the record keeping of all of their participation in the different divisions----junior miles, LD/50/60/75/100/mulitdays----all are accomplishments deserving of respect. At the end of a member's endurance career, their lifetime miles should all be totaled as endurance miles with the miles for each category that they had the desire to pursue. If you have read my posts on this subject over the past days, and years, you would know that I treasure the inclusiveness of distance riding as one of the best things about the sport. However, "inclusiveness" does not require conmingling endurance and non-endurance miles in the records. Even if the AERC mixed them, I would personally not count my LD miles in my endurance total. BTW, Junior miles ARE included in a person's (and horse's) lifetime total. You know, although the AERC does not separate them, I've kept track and I'm quite proud of the fact that Kahlil and I completed over 30 100-mile one-day rides together. I don't get all bent out of shape, though, at the AERC for mixing them in with all the other endurance distances. Now, I do take exception to your misreading of my great tribute to a great lady and my personal inspiration. Please go back and read my words concerning Julie Suhr---those words are a compliment Joe. Let me translate them for you: Obviously when one of the most legendary riders of our time, and more importantly, one of the most inspirational ladies of our sport, rides LD, that does not change the fact that she is an endurance rider. Don t you see the fallacy of saying that someone like Julie is not a REAL endurance rider and should not be able to count that ride in her lifetime miles, just because on a particular day, she might chose to do 35 instead of 50 or 100 miles. My next statement was an invitation to those who actually entertained such notions to please say them out loud---because their credibility would be so completely destroyed by such statements made against someone of Julie's stature that I would not have to respond at all. I really did not think ANYONE would take that invitation. Methinks you missed something. Here is what I wrote: And, hey, are you calling Julie Suhr a "Dinosaur" who "continue[s] to cling to attitudes which are counterproductive to the best interests of this organization?" Sorry, I don't think so!!! ; ^ > See that smiley on the end? I added it to clue you, in case you missed it, that I was tweaking you with that for inconsistency -- you called "old-timers" obstructionist dinosaurs throughout your post, then praised Julie for being an old-timer. I found that funny. BTW, I doubt very much that Julie would want, or put up with, including her LD miles in with her lifetime endurance miles. (If she tells me I'm wrong, I will most humbly apologize.) -- Joe Long jlong@xxxxxxxx http://www.rnbw.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp Ride Long and Ride Safe!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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