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RE: [RC] who is captain of the ship - McGann, Barb

Barbara,
 
I'm sitting here trying to honestly imagine what a ride like that would be like.  If we didn't award speed, what would we award?  Best Conditon?
 
Ok, so 50 or 60 riders get together to go for a looong trail ride.  You gather at the starting line and everyone moseys out of camp.  Some people want to walk, some want to trot and a few might even want to canter, so you start spreading out along the trail.  Ride all day with no pressure.  Finish the ride and stand for Best Condition (everyone would get to stand for it, since placings wouldn't determine anything).  The speed element would have to be taken out of it, too, so the only things that would count are horse condition and rider weight (as a heavy-weight rider myself - woohoo!).  Since horse condition is at least partially related to how fast you rode, we would have a 30-way tie for Turtle award!
 
Now, since the only challenge left is against the trail (certainly not other riders and not against your personal best time, etc), what do you want to bet that the ride managers will start saying, well lets make the trail a REAL challenge.  Lets put those riders up over Mt. Baldy and through the glaciers, that'll be a real test. (Been there, done that...don't get me started about the 50 mile ride that the winner took over 9 1/2 hrs).
 
Also, since the ride vets will have a hell of a time judging 50 or 60 horses at the end and determining BC, we would need to evolve a complicated point system to assign values to each parameter judged all through the ride, so we wouldn't have 10-way ties on BC.  (The more points possible, the less chance of ties).  The vets wouldn't have to do as much vetting, but they'd have to do a lot more "judging".  Of course, there would be a lot of "Well, the reason I didn't win is that judge(vet) doesn't like me".
 
Since I am a mid-pack or back-of-the-pack rider, I'm not automatically against this, just that I'm not sure what the allure would be to get me to drive hundreds of miles, spents thousands of $, to do group trail rides.  If this was what would draw us, then why aren't we doing NATRC or Chief Joseph trail rides which are readily available?
 
Its just that there is something really special about cruising along thinking you are 15th and finding out you were really 9th!  Or that you were 45th out of 90 - on that particular day, you and your horse performed better than 45 others.  And having experienced show and NATRC, that was the thing that drew me to this sport - the fact that you are competing against the clock!  There's not shades of gray, no "he didn't like me", just your performance measured by an impartial clock.
 
Barb McGann, AERC #840
-----Original Message-----
From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Barbara McCrary
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 12:16 PM
To: Howard Bramhall; ridecamp
Subject: Re: [RC] who is captain of the ship

If we didn't award speed, would the problems go away?  What would happen if we only went out to ride for the pleasure, the experience, and the adventure?  What would happen if AERC did not recognize speed?  Would everyone quite the sport? 
 
Barbara
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [RC] who is captain of the ship

The thing is, Frank, we do have a problem.  And, since we can't really control these riders, we can control the sport.  This is why I really do believe it's the only answer.  Make some changes to the sport that affects Yahoos who will run their horse into the ground if we let them.  And, trust me, a Yahoo does not have to be an inexperienced rider or one with low mileage.
 
If we're not willing to accept changes, nothing ever will.  Make it all about the horse; let the horse prove themselves in spite of who owns them and who rides them.  Have it restricted, with a tier system and we will save horse's lives by making the system all about the horse and not about us.  If the members are not willing to make any changes or can't agree on one of them, well, then, might as well get used to 7 equine deaths per year and climbing with outsiders thinking endurance is over the edge we've all been talking about.
 
My only wish is ya'll keep on open mind about all of this.  Try and decide what types of change you might actually be able to live with before going over the deep end and saying "I'm going to quit if you pass that stupid rule."  No one wants you to quit.  Do you quit being an American if your neighbors elect someone you don't like?  Do you stop voting because a bill doesn't go the way you wanted?  The thing is I really do think changes are coming.  You might want to start deciding which of them you can live with and quit believing nothing's going to change and today's endurance will stay exactly like it is till then end of the millennium.  I don't think that's going to happen.  And, deep down, I bet you don't either.
 
cya,
Howard
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: [RC] who is captain of the ship

In a message dated 10/30/2003 8:32:22 AM Mountain Standard Time, SandyDSA@xxxxxxx writes:
I am not sure why LD is so denigrated here and there. IT has not been a stumbling block to our horses
It ain't the distance, it's the rider
    A  rider who has no compassion and no vision for anything other than a prize, an award, a title, a whatever, will never truly see their horse or listen to the simple truths about speed, coupled with terrain and weather, let alone the variables involved with trailering and stress-free conditioning.
    I've seen riders who fit this description in every horse sport to which I've been exposed...when I was younger, I might'a slipped into those shoes a time or two just to find I didn't like how I kept stumblin' when I wore them.
    Thank God my ego was all that paid the price.
    I might prefer to start my horses on 50's, and a time or two, even a 100, but that doesn't mean others HAVE to do that.  I would hope riders out there know what's better for their horse than I do.
    If not, well, then "We have a problem, Houston...."
    ----Frank Solano