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RE: [RC] [RC] Hawk will be back and Ft. Valley and Automatic Sanctions - eznetI was there Saturday, although not at the same time and although I walked over the finish line, if I were racing I would much rather it was on a nice smooth two lane road like that than a narrow trail that might have anything around the next bend. There are traffic laws and as long as the riders keep right I can't see the problem. They're not going as fast as the average car and are much less likely to hit a dog or pedestrian. From the back of a horse a blind hill isn't as blind as it is in a car. The vet check 11/2 miles from the finish reduces the chances of a race as it is unusual for a number of horses to pulse in at exactly the same time. My guess is that one rider left first and the other rode hard and caught up at the end. Libby Llop -----Original Message----- From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of john thunder Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 3:32 PM To: goearth@xxxxxxxxxxx Cc: ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [RC] [RC] Hawk will be back and Ft. Valley and Automatic Sanctions If you're referring to my comments about the finish of saturdays ft. valley, I was definately there. That was no sprint and the fact that you have two 'great' riders ( or 50) is no excuse for endangering yourself, your horse, others and their horses, and the public at large. For what? A t-shirt and a stinkin bucket! Just for the record, the ride management announced legs of 20 miles, 19 miles, 9 miles, and 1& 1/2 miles for a TOTAL OF 49.5. It may not have been a full 1 1/2 but it wasn't 300 yards either. If you've been riding as long as you say, you should be ashamed of yourself From: "goearth" <goearth@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: "Ridecamp" <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [RC] Hawk will be back and Ft. Valley and Automatic Sanctions Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 04:00:26 -0400 Hello Mary, I'm sure he and you both will be back. That dreadful 3rd loop is up Habron Gap and along the ridgeline where I first moved to the Valley and trained for the GAHR. Its harder and steeper to me than Indian Grave Ridge which is longer but not as steep. Horses that don't train on these rocks would be greatly advised to wear pads as there are plenty of rock. As for the 'Sprint' on the 1st day. I doubt very seriously if the person who questioned the finish was there and saw it. He said/she said by those that don't witness a situation can alter the facts and other people opinions of those facts. The 'Sprint' was only 300 yards or so because of the Vet Check at Hickory Lane. (A little history here... back in the 80's there was an 8 mile sprint between Linda Lawrence and me to the very same finish on the OD 50. Because there was no Vet Check at Hickory Lane it created this set-up. So the Vet Check worked and separated those that felt compelled to race. Linda won and I got BC and because I didn't have a trailer there I rode BayMar home, which was another 10 miles) When you have a past World Champion and Jeannie Waldron who both want to win there may always be sprints. We can sit back in our rocking chairs in our knitting sessions and discuss this til the cows come in but its not gonna change people and their approach. Personally, i think my racing days are over and have been since i was hung from Jug Tree at the PAC in 95, but i don't begrudge anyone else who finds this competitive desire within themselves. In reference to automatic sanctions... AERC could not have done any more to make me feel worse or punish me than I did myself, and if he would have died, I would not have been back in any form. (An analogy... 7 horses die and people get their panties wadded up and move to Salem. 1 is too many, 7 is bad but its not the end of the world according to Chicken Little. Something good is going to happen here believe me because I believe in the people on the Committee to find answers. What gets me is the 11,000 people that die directly from Global Warming a year and the WHO expects the # to climb to 21,000 in 3. Who speaks for these people? Because they are from developing countries mostly, not many. The droughts, floods and fires are not Normal and you can believe me or not). I don't get into spitting or licking contests online, so anyone that would like to discuss these viewpoints off-line I would be happy to respond. tom sites goearthatshentel.net _________________________________________________________________ Concerned that messages may bounce because your Hotmail account has exceeded its 2MB storage limit? Get Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp Ride Long and Ride Safe!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. 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