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Joe Long wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 12:28:49 -0400, Jim Holland <lanconn@xxxxxxx>
> wrote:<snip>
> > Repealing all the DUI laws, because people should be responsible enough
> > to know that they shouldn't drink and drive. If they don't, then it's
> > just part of learning your "drink limit".
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> Hmmmmm, the AERC has had drug rules for a long time ...
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It's really funny to hold up AERC drug laws as analogous to Drunk Driving
Laws.  If the cars were getting drunk, things would really be going wrong,
or if the cars were trying to get us drunk, wow...  =:-o
> 	<snip>Are you saying it's acceptable to sacrifice horses so people can "learn"
> to ride, train, and pace properly?  It's just the "Endurance Way"?  
>
> That is your interpretation.  Could you please tell me the last time a
> horse was "sacrificed" by a novice rider in a 25-mile ride?
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Why does a horse have to die to make a rule, people?  :-{  Can *anyone* who's
regularly competed in endurance rides, say they've never seen a new horse,
or new rider get into trouble, or *obviously* stress their horse?  This happens
ALL THE TIME.
> > <snip>IMHO, the "NO MORE RULES" argument is beginning to smell like "death".
> > If there is a POSSIBILITY that a new rule(s) will benefit the horse,
> > dang, let's make one! If it doesn't, then we can REPEAL it!
> >           
>
> Well let's see, it's POSSIBLE that a rule that says "anyone
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not *anyone* substitute, any " any Rookie Rider or Horse", Joe.
>  reaching
> the finish line at any AERC ride in less than one hour per five miles
> of trail is disqualified," would benefit the horse.  But if the AERC
> makes such a rule, AERC rides will no longer be endurance rides (and I
> would never ride one).
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Boo hoo, would you hold your breath until you turn blue?  ;-) 
> <snip>
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> By definition, by the fundamental character of the sport, endurance
> rides do not have minimum time limits.  LD rides are supposed to
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The key words here are *supposed to*, they're not, my friend.
> reflect endurance rides, at an introductory distance ... minimum time
> limits change them into something else.
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What in heaven's name is the difference between offering an *introductory
distance* and an *introductory pace*?  The intro distance (an LD)  is really
fun and easy, but in case you haven't noticed, it's not really working for
it's intended purpose.
> And no one has provided any
> *evidence* whatsoever that a minimum time for beginning riders would
> provide any benefit at all,
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You've got be kidding here?  What kind of proof do you need? 
> to make such a drastic change worthwhile.
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Hey, Joe, thanks for debating, this is fun.
                      
Lisa
                      
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