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Re: [RC] The difference between CORRECTION and PUNISHMENT (was 'whackem') - jennifer a bergerI think the post that refers to the horse being brain dead says it best. And I would never resort to spanking anyone because there kid was irratating. Being a mother of two I can tell you I have been in the store for an emergency run for something we may have needed and had to bring my cranky and tired toddler who was mad and crying and not listening. That had nothing to do with the way I "corrected "her in the past, it had everything to do with , that she was tired. And a tired toddler will not cooperate. ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Perez" <walkergirl@xxxxxxxxxx> To: <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 9:42 AM Subject: [RC] The difference between CORRECTION and PUNISHMENT (was 'whackem') ...."he said that I should tie my horse to a post with a bridle on, then raise the bit to the highest hole on the bridle for three hours, do this with each side then at the same time for a total of nine hours. This whacking between the ears sounds like the same kind of advice. Way to wreck a horse. " The statement above shows a failure to appreciate the difference between correction and punishment. They are NOT ther same thing at all: CORRECTION (popping a horse for rearing at the moment he rears) is immediate, timed precisely with the behavior being discouraged. In behavioral science it is called negative reinforcement, and is scientifically proven to be effective. The 'tie 'em to a post for nine hours and let'em think about it' is PUNISHMENT: after the fact. It is useless because the horse has NO IDEA why it is being hurt. Mostly likely all it will learn is to stay as far from that post as possible. I am NOT advocating beating a horse between the ears so hard it leaves a scar. In fact I'd rather just slap them on the neck (or even better, verbally reprimand them IF the horse in question understands and respects the reprimand). And for non-dangerous behaviors, I would rather train a horse, through positive reinforcement, an alternative behavior: but for dangerous behaviors, I think they need to be addressed directly and effectively: NO means NO! Have you ever spent time with a toddler that keeps doing something annoying, and the mother keeps saying 'Johnny, please stop doing that' and Johnny keeps right on doing it, and the mom keeps saying it, and you end up thinking 'Lord, WHAT a brat!' and want to give them BOTH a good spanking? THAT approach to training is what 'wrecks' horses. ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= http://www.endurance.net/ads/seabiscuit.html Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp Ride Long and Ride Safe!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= http://www.endurance.net/ads/seabiscuit.html Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp Ride Long and Ride Safe!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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