Re: [RC] Fat or Carbs - Susan GarlinghouseCould you please give Ridecampers any updates on whether the high fat feeding is still what most people are using for endurance horses, or if there are any problems with the high fat diet that have come up in the past few years. Also what luck have people had w/carbo loading and/or supplementation during the ride? This was the subject of my talk in Chattanooga, and it took me 90 minutes of fast talking to say everything I wanted to there, so this post will hardly cover much more than the tip of the iceberg. Yes, there continues to be a lot of research and a lot of different opinions regarding feeding fats versus carbos. My opinion is that it doesn't have to be a black and white issue of Either-Or and that both can be used to advantage. In short, *my* opinion is that fats are primarily very useful as a concentrated source of calories to maintain good body condition without the risks that a lot of grain carries. There are some metabolic benefits you can get if you feed a lot of fat for a long time, and that's fine for some horses, especially those that are insulin-resistant or otherwise intolerant of soluble carbohydrates. In reality, I don't think it's particularly feasible to pump tons and tons of oil down a horse's throat on a daily basis, nor do I think the metabolic benefits are so overwhelming to make it something to get really excited about. So, I do think adding fat to the diet is a good way to get some concentrated calories in during conditioning or a hard ride season. You can get those fat calories from a lot of different sources without a whole lot of differences between them---fat pak, liquid vegetable oil, rice bran, whatever, other than palatability, convenience, price, etc. If you also want some of the nutraceutical-type properties of fats, then you have to go to a different source, ie cold-pressed oil sources, rice bran to some extent, or flax seed. Depending on the source, then you can get omega-3 and omega-9 fatty acids, which have different metabolic effects in the body. If you're feeding a heat-processed, grocery store oil source (with the exception of virgin olive oil), or an animal-derived fat source, then you *don't* have functional essential omega-3 or 9 fatty acids going for you. At Chattanooga, I also talked about why I don't recommend feeding fats immediately before or during a ride. Mostly because fats slow gastric emptying, depress appetite for other (more important) things like forage, and have an indirect adverse effect on water consumption. So, we do know that added dietary fats aren't required or even advantageous during a ride. A lot of horses get through just fine with just hay, water and maybe some salt, but carbs are good, too. The deal with carbs of any sort is understanding how the energy curves work, what an insulin rebound is and why one big dose of carbs of any sort isn't going to get you through the day. If you're going to supplement with carbs (whether it be grain or something from a syringe), then you better understand all that, plus be prepared to be consistent throughout the day with lots of small, frequent doses, or you're just going to shoot yourself in the foot right off the bat. Plus, not every horse responds the same way, because of differences in insulin-resistance and metabolism (a subject that's just starting to be really well explored in clinical, peer-reviewed trials). One more question - does the high fiber in beet pulp cause a problem for horses w/ulcers? Shelly The fiber itself certainly shouldn't be an issue in the least. What *might* be an issue to consider is whether soaked, sloppy beet pulp initiates enough chewing (and thus saliva production) to help buffer stomach acids. It's a valid point, and at least one of the reasons why I usually recommend that beet pulp not provide more than 50% of the forage ration, the other half being long-stem hay that requires lots of chew time. On the flip side, a pound of beet pulp also provides the same amount of calcium carbonate found in six Tums tablets, which itself is a reasonable amount of buffering. How well the two compare, I dunno. I'm still not convinced about the prevalence of significant ulcers in endurance horses---I'm waiting to hear the results from the ulcer clinics ongoing now. I know that doesn't start to cover everything worth discussing, but I'm more than happy to continue to participate in some ongoing dialogue on the matter. :-) Susan G =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp Ride Long and Ride Safe!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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