Ridecamp: RE: [RC] Horse/Rider History Books re: PULL CODES

Jim:

I disagree with your statement<<< AERC has never "done
anything" with the info, constructively or
otherwise...or if they have, they have not "reported" the
results to the
membership.  Why should the members care?>>>

Unbeknownst to the membership of the AERC, there have been
many hundreds of hours devoted to the problem of acquiring
and dissemination data about endurance riding. Our greatest
problem has been the validity of the data the membership
supplies us with.  An example that best exemplifies the
problem was the joining with the Arab Registry so that
endurance riders could look up their horses record and see
the pedigree and vs., the breeder look up the pedigree and
see the endurance record. I personally spent over 100 hours
delving into the records that contained obviously incorrect
foaling dates, misspelled horse names, incorrect
registration numbers and the like. I do know that Mike and
Russ spent equally as much and I would not doubt much more
time on their parts.

I can assure you, if the membership does not care then we
had best pack this thing in and let it go pieces. Just let
us know and we will pull everything off line and forget it.

I personally have worked on the AERC data problem for over
15 years. It is not an easy fight as many members are very
secretive about any information that might be exposed to the
public. That is, any information except top placing and
awards they might receive.

So, there is work being continuously performed, we are
trying to get the best of data the membership is willing to
afford us, we will qualify all reports with a disclaimer to
the effect that the results are based on the misinformation
supplied by the AERC Membership.

Bob


Bob Morris
Morris Endurance Enterprises
Boise, ID

-----Original Message-----
From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Jim
Holland
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 7:40 AM
To: Bob Morris; Ridecamp
Subject: Re: [RC] Horse/Rider History Books re: PULL CODES


OK, in IMHO, here are two reasons:

1. AERC has never "done anything" with the info,
constructively or
otherwise...or if they have, they have not "reported" the
results to the
membership.  Why should the members care?

2. At best, only limited "education and guidance" has been
made
available to the membership on the need for accurate
reporting of the
data, why we need it, what it will be used for, and feedback
on what
actions have been taken because of the data relative to the
welfare of
the horse.

It's sorta like voting in Florida....why bother to vote if I
don't even
know if it will be counted? <grin> No offense, T and
Howard...

I think a paragraph describing the pull codes, their use,
and a few
words beseeching riders and vets to be accurate, along with
a sentence
or two about their use should be on EVERY ride entry form,
just like the
disclaimer...could even make it part of it. Easy for the
vets to see,
easy for the riders to check.

I would like to see a yearly report online and in EN on the
number and
percentage of horses that were pulled for each code.

I would like to see a yearly report on horse deaths and at
least some
details regarding the circumstances.

Want riders to report the data consistently and accurately?
Give them
something to justify their participation...horse welfare is
a powerful
tool, and I hope a primary motivator to all of us.

Jim, Sun of Dimanche, and Mahada Magic



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Bob Morris wrote:

We were starting out asking the simple basics of the cause
of the horse
being eliminated from the ride. Was the basic cause related
to two
categories? First, the Horse or the Rider? Then when that is
determined,
if the cause was the horse, the question became Lame or
Metabolic? End
of questions! Simple was it not?  Two little simple
questions answerable
by one word in each instance. Hardly takes much thought. But
we cannot
get those answers because people, for some unknown reason
cannot, will
not, do not want to, answer with one of those choices,
Again, Was the
basic cause horse or rider. If horse, was the basic cause
lameness of
metabolic.

Now, you tell me why the membership cannot conform with such
a simple
thing.
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