Kathy wrote:
     
    >>You are absolutely right on this point about using the 
    seat.  But this horse has will just lean against the bit and fight when 
    I set my hands if  he's in race horse mode.<<
     
    Any horse will 
    lean against set hands, race horse mood or not.  That's why you use a 
    "give and take", not a steady pull, to stop a horse.
     
    >>This is a 
    horse with strong race horse genetics, remember? Like several generations of 
    selection for flat racing in Russia and Poland, 
    huh?<<
     
    Don't get much 
    racier-bred than my bred in the Purple Thoroughbred.  He events in a 
    snaffle.  It's about schooling, not braking power.
     
    >>I, too, am 
    thinking that the kimberwicke would be better 
    ergonomically.
     
    For your purposes 
    (you aren't jumping, and the horse is, I think, on a loose contact most of 
    the time) it might be.  I'm still not convinced though.
     
    >>I bet most of 
    the pathologies you mention come from incorrrect usage of the device, rather 
    than the device itself.
     
    Actually, I agree with Heidi 
    here.  The difference between a RM and other gadgets is that the RM is 
    independent of the rider's hands, and so it sits there, and you can't 
    control the effect it has, as you can with a Market Harborough / draw reins, 
    etc, which can be loosened by giving with the hands.  Okay, so the 
    last-mentioned gadgets have a more direct action, when they are applied, but 
    I think you'll see how the RM could cause the pathologies, even if used 
    "correctly".  And let's not even go where people don't fit 
    them properly.