Re: Re: Re: Chiropractors

["Susan Garlinghouse" <suendavid@worldnet.att.net>]

Like any professional, there are good'uns and bad'uns.  I've gone to totally
ineffective chiros and been to another that was a miracle worker.  Seen the
same thing in my horses, and I'm pretty critical about seeing clear
improvement.

susan g
----- Original Message -----
From: Celia Krall <celiak@pcrs.net>
To: <ridecamp@endurance.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 9:28 PM
Subject: RC: Re: Re: Chiropractors


> I tried a chiropractor, when my neck and shoulder were so stiff and sore I
> could barely drive, or work, or sleep.  He twisted my neck.  Nothing.
> Wouldn't go.   Again.  Again.  Again. Pushed on the back. Ow.   Nothin.
> Ow.
>
> Was so much worse, if I could have, I think I would have hurt him back.
> Twist, twist, yank yank.  Ow, ow.  Great.
>
> Had a massage, some soma, some  wine,  some Mozart.  Some  yoga.  Riding
> helped more than anything.  Gradually, my own stuff worked, and the pain
> diminished, then left.  Won't try the chiropractor EVER again.  I would
> never "try" it with my mare, who can't yell "Hey, stop that, dammit!"
>
> Cel
>
> ----------
> > From: Tivers@aol.com
> > To: kathy_mayeda@atce.com; ridecamp@endurance.net
> > Subject: RC:  Re: Chiropractors
> > Date: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 3:01 AM
> >
> > In a message dated 9/11/00 9:32:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> > kathy_mayeda@atce.com writes:
> >
> > << Okay, this is where you and I will always disagree!  I won't even
> >  pretend to be able to change your mind, but I want to relay my
> >  own personal experiences with chiropractors, both human and equine.
> >
> >  I went to an orthopedic surgeon when a dislocated my "rude finger".
> >  Okay, I spend most of my day at the keyboard, and am kind of dependent
> >  on my finger working.  But the orthopedic surgeon essentially told
> >  me that my finger will always be deformed and have limited range of
> >  motion.>
> >
> > A stupid orthopedic surgeon--always get a second opinion. The best docs
> for
> > this kind of thing are the sportsmedicine specialists.
> >
> > >  I went to my chiropractor for another issue, and relayed
> >  what the orthopedic surgeon told me.  She said "B---- S----", and
> >  proceeded to work on it via manipulation and ultrasound, told me
> >  to take some of the same supplements you recommend, and got
> >  some physical therapy. >
> >
> > Whoops, sound like a 3-point attack here--physical therapy from the
quack
> or
> > from a physical therapist? Did the manipulation that the chiro applied
> heal
> > you? Or did you just select the chiro's magic as the healing technique
> out of
> > the blue? Say, for purposes of argument.
> >
> >
> >  >I now have full range of motion
> >  in that finger with no deformity. No thanks to the orthopedic surgeon,
> >  who is affiliated with Stanford University.>
> >
> > If you'd gone to Brother Leroy of the Church of What's Happenin' Now in
> > Delaware, Ohio, he'd have cured you on the spot--no need for the
physical
>
> > therapy and nutrition.
> >
> > > I can flip you off with finesse now!>
> >
> > Yeah, I'm flipped!
> >
> >  >If I DON'T get an chiropractic adjustment, my pelvis gets
> >  out of whack and I'm in pain.>
> >
> > I had a friend in similar condition--from a car wreck. He was a true
> believer
> > in chiropractic and visited regularly to have his back bone crunched.
> > Eventually, he was in such pain that he was paralized until a SURGEON
> fused
> > his backbone. Doesn't walk real well now, but he can walk.
> >
> >  > My sciolosis gets more pronounced
> >  and I get to be a real crooked rider.  If I am good and
> >  go see my chiropracter when I feel slightly tweeked, my back
> >  doesn't go into spasm like it did last time!  I KNEW my hip
> >  was tweeked before I rode the Fireworks 50 but didn't get adjusted.
> >  Didn't get adjusted before crewing the Swanton 100 either and the
> >  following day, I had a terrible time getting out of bed.>
> >
> > "Tweaked?" You're spouting nonsense now. Precisely what do you think
this
>
> > quack is doing for you? Certainly not healing anything, eh? But he's
sure
> got
> > you coming back for more. Nice hustle.
> >
> > > I went to the
> >  doctor.  He didn't do anything because I had already told him
> >  I made an appointment with my chiropractor.  His comment was,
> >  "You'll be treated if you go to your chiropractor.  We would just
> >  be treating you with drugs instead to do the same thing.">
> >
> > Jesus, where are you finding these idiots? Or are you just telling a
fib?
>
> > Does the MD have email? Maybe we could get him to testify to what you
say
> he
> > said.
> >
> >  > I always
> >  feel immediate relief after a chiropractic treatment, although
> >  I have to admit this last spasm took quite a few treatments.>
> >
> > The future is bleak for you unless you get genuine medical attention.
> >
> >  >My horse couldn't physically make it up the hill last year.  You
> >  could see that his whole hip was assymetrical.  I had a well
> >  known endurance vet who has a base practice in equine chiropractic
> >  and accupuncture treat him with accupuncture and chiropractic
> >  manipulation.>
> >
> > Precisely what did he move from where to where? What was his diagnosis?
> What
> > did he tell you he was doing?
> >
> > >  The very next time I rode my horse, he was able
> >  to power himself up that very same hill without a problem.  He
> >  tweeked himself rolling in the paddock and getting tangled in his
> >  sheet earlier this winter.  Tweeked again, acted lame.  Called
> >  Nancy again and he was no longer lame.  She never ran "diagnostics"
> >  other than structural alignment - in fact she would refer a new
> >  client to a regular vet for diagnosis before she would
> >  schedule an appointment.  She also evaluates the horses dental
> >  alignment and farrier work in a much more structurally integrative
> >  way than a traditional clinical vet.>
> >
> > And what is "structural alignment", pray tell? And what does
> "structurally
> > integrative" mean? Both are real nice sounding phrases. Music to your
> ears.
> > Four and five-syllable words, just like an MD would use. Please explain
> them
> > to me. You've really got me flipped now.
> >
> > > Accupuncture is based on traditional Chinese medicine.>
> >
> > So is shoving an onion up the horse's butt.
> >
> >  > It's not
> >  a "New Age" unicorn thing for unicorn woman.>
> >
> > Have you read any double-blind papers on acupuncture? Do you know what
> they
> > all find? It's the equivalent of a very mild local anasthetic--and
that's
>
> > all.
> >
> >
> >  > I have also studied
> >  martial arts and there is a lot to be said about internal power
> >  and energy flow. >
> >
> > There is a lot to be said about Brother Leroy's Holy Hill Cathedral Holy
> > Water--why one day a lady sprinkled it on a beautiful Cadillac and the
> next
> > day--SHE OWNED IT!!!
> >
> > Here's something you can take to the bank--the more talk involved in a
> > treatment modality, the more likely it is to be complete bullshit.
> >
> >
> >  >The "ki" as my ancestors would say or "qi"
> >  as the Chinese would call it. It probably scares the Irish in you.>
> >
> > We Irish call it "focus". Don't know what that is in Chinese, but
they're
>
> > pretty primitive folk over there--they still stick formadehyde in the
> brains
> > of girl babies as they are being born. Klingon medicine.
> >
> >  >All the rest of the stuff you mentioned,
> >
> >  "alternative" equine
> >  treatment modalities. Lasers,
> >  magnets, infrared diodes, TTouch,
> >  "whispering", mind reading, etc.lasers,"
> >
> >  really don't have much to do with chiropractors. >
> >
> > Sure they do--they all have great stories attached to them--hell, TTeam
> is a
> > full-blown religion.
> >
> > > The ultrasound
> >  treatment I received from my chiropractor is the same ultrasound
> >  treatment I received from the Stanford Sports Medicine group
> >  when I had my ACL injury.>
> >
> > Sure--a useful treatment modality. Even a quack has to do something
right
> or
> > he won't get you back again. Do you know what ultrasound does? Please
> tell us
> > all.
> >
> >  >Okay, TI.  Tear me apart.  I'm expecting it.>
> >
> > You flipped me good. I had to.
> >
> > ti
> >
> >  Kathy >>
> >
> >
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