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Re: ridecamp-d Digest V98 #469
>Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 11:22:22 -0700
>To: ridecamp-d@endurance.net
>From: Melody Weste <equest@voxworks.com>
>Subject: Re: ridecamp-d Digest V98 #469
>In-Reply-To: <199806080757.AAA25745@fsr.com>
>
>You know, even I am getting tired of the debate and I have participated in
it - back in Reno at the AERC convention even. However one note and I will
let it go. I think the road runners and their allies (Kirsten Price for
one) had it right.
>
>As an LD rider I NEVER wanted to be confused with the endurance people. I
was quite aware of the level of accomplishment a 25 or 30 represented.
But, like a 5K runner, it would have helped me to simply know my time and
placing so that I had criteria to use to track my improvement or lack
thereof. All 5K runners can get their official time - it doesn't mean they
are demanding to be called marathoners or trying to turn their short race
into a demolition derby of any kind. I eventually went from 5Ks to three
marathon completions, and simply knowing how I did really helped me do that
in a sensible way.
>
>All I would ask is that, perhaps, the LD times could be made available to
riders upon request to assist the learning process, same as 5K runners.
>
>By the way, I now have my first 50 under my belt, so I guess I qualify
technically as an endurance rider, but I by no means put myself in the same
category as the veterans. Again, this is similar to running. My marathon
PR is only 4:27 - yes, I qualify as a marathon runner, but I do not harbor
any illusion that I can class myself with the elite racers.
>
>A little more balance and perspective with a little less defensiveness and
emotion on both sides would do us all a world of good.
>
>M.
>
>At 12:57 AM 6/8/98 -0700, you wrote:
>>------------------------------
>>
>>ridecamp-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 469
>>
>>Today's Topics:
>> Re: Limited distance [ Dan Babitch <dan_b@sindar.com> ]
>> Re: Limited distance [ "Joe Long" <jlong@mti.net> ]
>> Re: Endurance??? [ "Joe Long" <jlong@mti.net> ]
>> Re: banter [ "Joe Long" <jlong@mti.net> ]
>> Re: Endurance??? [ Klc5355@aol.com ]
>> RE checklist [ paddi <seamstob@telusplanet.net> ]
>> Re: RE checklist [ Teddy Lancaster
<Teddy@runningbear. ]
>> scientific study [ Stephanie Teeter
<step@bluefish.fsr ]
>> An idea [ Marinera@aol.com ]
>> SLUTS [ Debbyly@aol.com ]
>> Re: slant load trailers [ Debbyly@aol.com ]
>> Re: Montana de Oro State Park [ Debbyly@aol.com ]
>> Re: Limited distance [ Klc5355@aol.com ]
>> Endurance Riding! [ DreamWeaver
<karen@chaton.gardnervi ]
>> Sorry Folks [ Softrider Saddles
<softride@cdsnet. ]
>> Re: Endurance Riding! [ "Reynolds" <jakar@aiinc.com> ]
>> Re: Polish Competitors [ kitten@resp-sci.arizona.edu
(Bruce ]
>> LD v's Endurance?? [ "Caughey Family"
<caughey@merredin. ]
>> Re: Endurance?? [ Kirsten Price
<kirsten@vermilion.re ]
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:22:04 -0800
>>From: Dan Babitch <dan_b@sindar.com>
>>To: ridecamp@endurance.net
>>Subject: Re: Limited distance
>>Message-Id: <l03020904b1a10938f559@[200.200.200.202]>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>>I guess an endurance rider riding their new horse limited distance? I
>>think a rider who has done the 50 miles is an endurance rider, whatever
>>their present horse is capable of doing. Maybe the horse is a limited
>>distance horse (or a CTR horse, of a Trial Trials horse, or whatever)- and
>>maybe it's on it's way to becoming an endurance horse. But the rider is an
>>endurance rider, especially if they're still in the sport, and planning to
>>do more 50s. If not, then maybe they're a "former" endurance rider. Make
>>any sense? (See, vocabulary IS the bugaboo!)
>>
>>Allyn
>>
>>
>>
>>>So what do you call the rider that has done the 50+miles, yet has a new
>>>horse in training and is starting him on 25 milers until such a time as he
>>>is ready to move on? Limited distant endurance riders?....
>>>Lori and Rikky.WA.
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 03:04:26 GMT
>>From: "Joe Long" <jlong@mti.net>
>>To: ridecamp@endurance.net
>>Subject: Re: Limited distance
>>Message-ID: <358054b7.119325592@208.214.112.7>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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>>On Sun, 7 Jun 1998 17:13:40 -0700, "Lori Bertolucci-Woodard"
>><llbertol@atnet.net> wrote:
>>
>>>So what do you call the rider that has done the 50+miles, yet has a new
>>>horse in training and is starting him on 25 milers until such a time as he
>>>is ready to move on? Limited distant endurance riders?....
>>>Lori and Rikky.WA.
>>
>>That's easy. I've been in exactly that situation myself recently.
>>The rider, having completed an endurance ride, is an endurance rider
>>(who happens to riding an LD ride that day). The horse, having *not*
>>completed an endurance ride, is not (at least yet) an endurance horse.
>>
>>There is no way I would call my new horse Nykoss an "endurance horse"
>>today. He hasn't earned it yet. I hope we change that next weekend!
>>
>>--
>>
>>Joe Long
>>jlong@mti.net
>>Business Page http://www.mti.net
>>Personal Page http://www.rnbw.com
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 03:04:32 GMT
>>From: "Joe Long" <jlong@mti.net>
>>To: ridecamp@endurance.net
>>Subject: Re: Endurance???
>>Message-ID: <358154bf.119333392@208.214.112.7>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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>>On Sun, 07 Jun 1998 16:28:20 -0700, Softrider Saddles
>><softride@cdsnet.net> wrote:
>>
>>>To all of you that have tryed to flame me!!! I know alot of people that
>>>are handicaped
>>>do YOU want to tell them that riding even 1 mile is not endurance. I
>>>know several people that it is an endurance to just get up on the horses
>>>back!! Please don't be so strick with what you claim to be endurance.
>>>To some people it is a major feat. just to get up there.
>>
>>I don't think anyone's trying to flame you, but most of us disagree
>>with you.
>>
>>My wife is handicapped. She has zero prospects of being able to ride
>>a 50-mile ride. A 25 mile ride is beyond her reach unless it is an
>>"easy" 25 and she's having a good day. She can't ride alone because
>>if she gets off the horse she may not be able to bet back on without
>>someone to help. She faces greater challenges than most of you know,
>>including the very real prospect of not seeing another birthday.
>>
>>Her nature is to compete, and go after challenges. She became the
>>first licensed female NASCAR race car driver in the South, at a time
>>when women weren't even allowed in the pits! She had to contend with
>>male drivers with such fragile egos that they would deliberately wreck
>>them both rather than be beaten by her (but beat them she did,
>>anyway).
>>
>>She was very proud and happy the day she complete her one Limited
>>Distance ride, and I was (and am) very proud of her.
>>
>>She is a great and proud lady ... and *no way* would she expect anyone
>>to *give* her the recognition earned by the fifty and 100 mile riders,
>>just because her physical handicaps prevent her from being able to
>>earn them. Maybe this is one reason I have so little patience with
>>the whiners ... they *don't* have her handicaps and want recognition
>>given to them instead of earning it. And yes, that makes me angry.
>>
>>
>>--
>>
>>Joe Long
>>jlong@mti.net
>>Business Page http://www.mti.net
>>Personal Page http://www.rnbw.com
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 03:04:19 GMT
>>From: "Joe Long" <jlong@mti.net>
>>To: ridecamp@endurance.net
>>Subject: Re: banter
>>Message-ID: <357f54ae.119316184@208.214.112.7>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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>>On Sun, 07 Jun 1998 17:32:47 +0000, Frank and Shannon Field
>><field@azstarnet.com> wrote:
>>
>>>All this bantering about "newbies" and what classifies an endurance
>>>rider is making this "newbie" a little fearful of entering the sport. ...
>>(rest copied below)
>>
>>Hey, come on in, the water's fine! It's been my experience that most
>>endurance riders welcome newcomers and will go out of their way to
>>help them. They'll answer your questions, share their "secrets" (and
>>their water!), and do what they can to help you complete your ride.
>>
>>And parked right next to that big-bucks luxury rig with the
>>air-conditioned living quarters will be a pickup with a shell towing a
>>two-horse bumper pull. And the folks on the budget are just as likely
>>to blow your socks off on the trail as the ones with the "big iron!"
>>Some of the greatest horses in our sport had no papers or were bought
>>for "killer" prices (Kahlil, if I may modestly use him as an example,
>>was bought for $400).
>>
>>Please don't judge all endurance riders by those few who seem to be
>>always asking for an easier way or something for nothing. They are
>>IMO a distinct (if often vocal) minority.
>>
>>Come out and ride, and at the rides you will meet some of the finest
>>people on God's green earth. And if I'm there when you achieve your
>>goals, I'll be applauding along with everyone else!
>>
>>>All this bantering about "newbies" and what classifies an endurance
>>>rider is making this "newbie" a little fearful of entering the sport. I
>>>realize it's very competitive as are all equine performance sports. But
>>>what originally turned me on to endurance was the perception that the
>>>competitors are basically "down-to-earth" people who don't necessarily
>>>have to be rich or belong to an elite group, unlike so many of the
>>>horsey set involved in showing. I just love my horse and want to
>>>accomplish something I can be proud of with him as my partner. That's
>>>my first goal, regardless of the distance. It will be a HUGE
>>>accomplishment for us. Then, who knows, maybe more and longer races
>>>will be in our future (at least I hope). Am I way off base in my
>>>thinking here?
>>>
>>>Shannon
>>
>>--
>>
>>Joe Long
>>jlong@mti.net
>>Business Page http://www.mti.net
>>Personal Page http://www.rnbw.com
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 23:46:10 EDT
>>From: Klc5355@aol.com
>>To: softride@cdsnet.net
>>Cc: Ridecamp@endurance.net
>>Subject: Re: Endurance???
>>Message-ID: <e67e54c7.357b5e83@aol.com>
>>Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
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>>
>>In a message dated 6/7/98 3:25:37 PM PST, softride@cdsnet.net writes:
>>
>><< do YOU want to tell them that riding even 1 mile is not endurance. >>
>>Dear Rebecca, I have to comment here as fanatics about anything are a danger
>>to themselves and those they attemp to protect. The term "Endurance" in this
>>case is irrellevant. The "Title" of this type of riding, 50 miles or more is
>>"Endurance" as defined by the rules of this organization. Anything 25
miles or
>>more is defined as limited distance, by the rules. You may call anything
else
>>anything you wish, and tell anyone they have done anything. If it makes them
>>feel better, or makes you feel better. But to get a completion in any of the
>>rides you have to complete the total of miles specified by the rules. I
>>applaud the handicapped for even attempting any of this. But I dont believe
>>they would want to be given something they havent earned, I think most have
>>more intelligence and pride than you give them credit for. And none of this
>>discussion has anything to do with the handicapped to start with. This
has to
>>do with the proffesional 25 milers that dont want to do 50 miles or more.
They
>>want 25 mile "RACES" to be called endurance rides. They want an easy race to
>>win and have no intention of moving up. The LD rider that uses this as a
>>starting point and training ride as it was intended, is not the whiner here,
>>nor the person that cannot do more than limited distance. And these same
>>people are the first ones on the band wagon to condemn the 25 mile marathon
>>races in Quatar and the money races. Play within the rules of the
organization
>>and enjoy the fruits of your labor. But dont ask for something you havent
>>earned.......
>> Ken Cook ( West
>>Region) and I started with LD'S.
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 22:16:03 -0700
>>From: paddi <seamstob@telusplanet.net>
>>To: ridecamp <ridecamp@endurance.net>
>>Subject: RE checklist
>>Message-ID: <357B7393.F2E50A8D@telusplanet.net>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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>>
>>I just finished packing the camper and trailer for a trip to the
>>mountains.
>>2 horses , 2 women
>>We were laughing that we would not have made good pioneers. My horse
>>trailer is bigger then a covered wagon. We have more horse clothing then
>>an entire pioneer family would have for themselves. The camper is packed
>>with enough stuff that you would think we were going for a year not 10
>>days:-).
>>Paddi
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 00:08:32 -0400
>>From: Teddy Lancaster <Teddy@runningbear.com>
>>To: seamstob@telusplanet.net
>>CC: ridecamp <ridecamp@endurance.net>
>>Subject: Re: RE checklist
>>Message-ID: <357B63C0.D673D88C@runningbear.com>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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>>
>>Yet, you are sure to forget SOMETHING!!!!
>>
>>Remember the days when we all arrived in a two horse trailer and a pick-up
>>with a topper (if we were lucky enough)?
>>
>>Teddy
>>
>>
>>paddi wrote:
>>
>>> I just finished packing the camper and trailer for a trip to the
>>> mountains.
>>> 2 horses , 2 women
>>> We were laughing that we would not have made good pioneers. My horse
>>> trailer is bigger then a covered wagon. We have more horse clothing then
>>> an entire pioneer family would have for themselves. The camper is packed
>>> with enough stuff that you would think we were going for a year not 10
>>> days:-).
>>> Paddi
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 21:33:22 -0700 (PDT)
>>From: Stephanie Teeter <step@bluefish.fsr.com>
>>To: ridecamp@endurance.net
>>Subject: scientific study
>>Message-Id: <199806080433.VAA14062@bluefish.fsr.com>
>>
>>According to recent stats on Ridecamp membership
>>activity, there is a direct correlation p<.0005
>>between the number of posts about LD vs endurance
>>and then number of people who unsubscribe from Ridecamp.
>>
>>Steph
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 00:40:50 EDT
>>From: Marinera@aol.com
>>To: jlong@mti.net, ridecamp@endurance.net
>>Subject: An idea
>>Message-ID: <772884ab.357b6b54@aol.com>
>>Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
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>>
>>Joe, I have read with interest your well thought out responses to some=
>>=0Aissues appearing on ridecamp. Why don't you put together a post which=
>>=0Aillustrates how much we have changed and how far we have come? I feel=
>> that=0Athe newbies think the oldies are adverse to any change and that i=
>>s really not=0Atrue.
>>You have a good memory and have been active in the AERC organization for=
>> a=0Along time. I am sure you can come up with many items, rules changes=
>>, etc. to=0Ashow that we're not stuck in the mud, but welcoming new ideas=
>> and constantly=0Achanging our rules to reflect the natural progression o=
>>f the sport. Vet gates=0Awould be one example from the old one hour holds=
>>. The addition of Limited=0ADistance Rides would be another. Another one=
>> might be "fit to continue" rather=0Athan cross the finish line and you h=
>>ave your award regardless of your horse's=0Acondition.
>>I feel the newcomers are full of fresh ideas. Some of them we hashed ov=
>>er=0Atwenty or thirty years ago to come up with some present rule, but s=
>>ome of=0Athem are new ideas and they should not be ignored. We cannot s=
>>tifle new=0Aideas or we will stagnate, but many newcomers do not realize =
>>how very much we=0Ahave changed and I hope you can point this out. Someti=
>>me it is a tight rope=0Aact between relaxing rules and upholding standard=
>>s.
>>For years I have urged people to attend the Thursday night and Sunday mor=
>>ning=0ABoard meetings at the Convention each year. They are a tremendous=
>> eye opener,=0Abut always poorly attended which is a shame. I would like =
>>to see every=0Anewcomer to our sport witness how much consideration and s=
>>oul searching each=0Amember of the Board goes through before making a dec=
>>ision. And I would like=0Ato have our newer members feel free and comfor=
>>table to add their input. It=0Acan only make us stronger.
>>Please, with your knowledge of the sport, write something in the form of =
>>a=0Acomparison between then and now=97the five or six original basic rule=
>>s written=0Aon a half a page to the 30 page rule book we now have. The t=
>>one I sense of=0Alate of oldies versus newbies is completely divisive. I=
>> ask your help in=0Agetting us all on the same wave length by chronicling=
>> a bit of our past. A=0Ahealthy exchange of ideas, though maybe poles ap=
>>art, should be welcomed with=0Arespect. Julie Suhr =0A
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 00:18:19 EDT
>>From: Debbyly@aol.com
>>To: ridecamp@endurance.net
>>Subject: SLUTS
>>Message-ID: <8948c1b2.357b660c@aol.com>
>>Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
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>>
>>Here in San Luis Obispo, California we have a very exclusive organization
>>(extremely loosely organized) called the San Luis Ultra Training Society
also
>>called the S.L.U.T.S. In order to belong to this organization you have to
>>complete an ultramarathon (a running race longer than the 26 miles of a
>>marathon) An individual who has not completed an ultramarathon cannot
belong
>>to this organization. If you want to call yourself a slut, that is OK. We
>>could have a discussion about who can rightfully call him or herself a slut.
>>
>>Debby Lyon
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 00:18:16 EDT
>>From: Debbyly@aol.com
>>To: Merryben@aol.com
>>Cc: ridecamp@endurance.net
>>Subject: Re: slant load trailers
>>Message-ID: <280bdf43.357b6609@aol.com>
>>Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
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>>
>>We trailer with our horses loose whenever possible. We have a four horse
>>stock trailer. When we are only trailering two horses, we put one in the
>>front and one in the back loose. They travel very well this way and can
stand
>>which ever way is most comfortable. We also have a slant load trailer
and if
>>I am only carrying one horse a long distance, I take the divider out and let
>>the horse travel loose. This makes a much more comfortable trip for the
>>horse. We do not leave horses loose if they are in together.
>>
>>Debby
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 00:18:13 EDT
>>From: Debbyly@aol.com
>>To: SandyDSA@aol.com
>>Cc: ridecamp@endurance.net
>>Subject: Re: Montana de Oro State Park
>>Message-ID: <b2e1ac3.357b6607@aol.com>
>>Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
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>>
>>There is a nice horse camp at Montana de Oro with corrals and horse water
(no
>>human water). There are no facilities for people other than nicer than
usual
>>outhouses. The trails are good and varied, but many of them are damaged or
>>very overgrown with brush right now because of the heavy rains we have had
>>this season. You can ride for miles on the beach and there are very few
>>people who use the beach. The phone number for the park is (805) 528-0513.
>>Reservations for horsecamp are made through Parknet (800) 444-7275. If you
>>decide to come, let me know and maybe I can meet you and show you around.
>>
>>Debby
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 00:09:09 EDT
>>From: Klc5355@aol.com
>>To: jmutchler@juno.com
>>Cc: Ridecamp@endurance.net
>>Subject: Re: Limited distance
>>Message-ID: <b2e1a3e.357b63e7@aol.com>
>>Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
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>>
>>In a message dated 6/7/98 3:34:31 PM PST, jmutchler@juno.com writes:
>>
>><< I do agree that
>> vocabulary is a problem. >>
>>We are all "Distance" riders, some ride endurance distance, some limited
>>distance. Nothing wrong with either, it is all personal preference or
personal
>>limitations. But the term "to endure" does not make one an endurance
rider, or
>>a limited distance rider. Because I run 5 miles of a marathon it doesnt make
>>me a marathon runner. Be what you are and be proud of it. Take pride in your
>>own accomplishments, this is what "To Finish is To Win" means.
>> Ken Cook (West Region)
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 21:08:17 -0700
>>From: DreamWeaver <karen@chaton.gardnerville.nv.us>
>>To: ridecamp@endurance.net
>>Subject: Endurance Riding!
>>Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980607210817.007d4730@mail.greatbasin.net>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>>It's the middle of the ride season...let's talk about RIDING!!!
>>
>>How about something like:
>>
>>What did you learn at the last ride you did?
>>
>>About yourself?
>>
>>About your horse?
>>
>>What would you do differently?
>>
>>Anybody else using carbos out there? How's it going?
>>
>>How about the new Enduro-Max electrolytes? What do you think?
>>
>>Is there something better than warm water and epsom salts to get soreness
>>(bruise) out of a horses foot? (I think he made it sore stomping around in
>>the trailer like a lunatic--maybe getting it caught in the hay bag didn't
>>help either) ;^0
>>
>>Happy Trails,
>>
>>Karen
>>in Gardnerville
>>& Weaver...my foot has an owie...hey who are you calling a lunatic??!!
>>& Rocky.....hahaha....can I move up from Plan B, can I, huh?
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 22:15:20 -0700
>>From: Softrider Saddles <softride@cdsnet.net>
>>To: ridecamp@endurance.net
>>Subject: Sorry Folks
>>Message-ID: <357B7368.1E571C4E@cdsnet.net>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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>>
>>All of this has gotten totaly out of control. I did not mean that people
>>should get something that they did not earn. What I was trying to get
>>across to people that is distance is distance no matter how far you go.
>>I was not aware of the rules aerc has layed down for the meaning of the
>>words endurance, limited or ctr or anything else. I just mean if you
>>ride a distance no matter how far you can and should be proud of that
>>act.
>>Everybody can mellow out because now I know the correct way of doing
>>endurance or limited or ctr or cross country or dressage or or or, and
>>the list can go on forever.
>>Miles is miles
>>Rebecca
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 22:25:42 -0700
>>From: "Reynolds" <jakar@aiinc.com>
>>To: "DreamWeaver" <karen@chaton.gardnerville.nv.us>
>>Cc: "Ridecamp" <ridecamp@endurance.net>
>>Subject: Re: Endurance Riding!
>>Message-Id: <199806080530.WAA14719@fsr.com>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
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>>
>>In the interest of reading variety, I'll add my .02 to Karen's
>>questionaire:
>>
>> On my last ride, I learned my normally quiet gelding wasn't going to be at
>>the start, but I wish I'd let him move out a little more. Holding him back
>>and negotiating traffic going uphill took more out of him than if I'd let
>>him move out at a decent pace and get out of the maddening crowd.
>> I found I needed more physical training of my own and started a running
>>program. Now I'm wondering if I need to bring the horse at all. Hehe...
>>ride and tie here we come... with someone else's horse. Is that taking the
>>easy way out or what? Haha!!
>> I've never tried the carbo loaders or the new electrolytes you mentioned
>>either. Jakar is on the injured list yet with the wirecut he managed to
>>get a year ago today. He's slowly coming around and might be okay for LD
>>or R&T later.
>> Epsom salts, warm water, and rest are what I would do for that foot. My
>>dad used that recipe on me for every booboo under the sun and all my
>>appendages are still here and functioning just fine at 40, thank
>>you:)))))))
>>Nikki
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Sun, 7 Jun 98 22:50:23 MST
>>From: kitten@resp-sci.arizona.edu (Bruce Saul)
>>To: ridecamp@endurance.net
>>Subject: Re: Polish Competitors
>>Message-Id: <9806080550.AA22009@resp-sci.arizona.edu>
>>
>>> Most certainly have, and an awful lot of successful endurance horses
came out
>>> of the Draper breeding over the years... Have noticed that the vast
majority
>>> of successful "Bask" horses come out of lines such as this or others
(such as
>>> *Serafix, as you mentioned)--most are at least half or more old Crabbet-
>>> Maynesboro-Kellogg (which includes old Babson, etc.) or else "Patton
Polish"
>>> (*Witez II, *Wierna, etc.). I think all too often *Bask gets credit
even when
>>> he is a very small portion of the pedigree, just because folks don't
recognize
>>> the several other great progenitors in the pedigree that may have
pulled his
>>> chestnuts out of the fire for him... Also have found that some of the
>>> successful racing Polish lines seem to contribute more to successful
endurance
>>> than does *Bask. However, because *Bask sired so many horses and was
such a
>>> fad, there are certainly some successful *Bask horses out there. One
just has
>>> to look at the percentages of certain lines within the breed as
compared to
>>> the percentages of those lines among successful endurance horses,
though, to
>>> get a feel for what does or doesn't do well..
>>
>> Well said. This brings up another thing, I can't tell you how many
>>times I've been told that a horse is a pure Polish or a pure Spanish or
>>a pure whatever only to find out in looking at the pedigree that the
>>Polish lines go back to Raktha or Nabor or Eukaliptus and from there to
>>Skowronek and various Crabbet mares. Or that the horse has one name from
>>the line mentioned and all the rest are CMK or Egyptian or whatever
>>with lots of lines going everywhere.
>> With regard to *Bask I have told people to look at pedigrees with
>>his name in it, in every case if it is a good horse then there is a CMK
>>mare on the bottom side of the pedigree.
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:22:38 +0800
>>From: "Caughey Family" <caughey@merredin.agn.net.au>
>>To: <ridecamp@endurance.net>
>>Subject: LD v's Endurance??
>>Message-Id: <199806080620.OAA07129@chronus.agn.net.au>
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>>As a lurking Aussie, I find all this talk about whether Limited distance is
>>endurance etc a bit strange. Our rules on this seem far more clear cut.
>>We have no placings for our 40km (25M) rides,which are called 'training'
>>rides, or best conditioned etc. The vets are able to award a Best Managed
>>horse but this is generally not a prize as such. All completions in the
>>40k have the same opportunity in a lucky dip if the ride managers supply
>>this. They are training rides and most people treat them as such. No
>>record of kilometres is kept, or points awarded to any ride less than 80km
>>(50M). This seems simple and I personally have never heard anyone I know
>>complaining whether or not they are considered an endurance rider or not if
>>they mainly ride the shorter rides, to be honest, I don't think the title
>>matters as much here as it seems to for most of you.
>>
>>Happy riding
>>
>>Kate
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 00:11:12 -0700
>>From: Kirsten Price <kirsten@vermilion.reno.nv.us>
>>To: ridecamp@endurance.net
>>Subject: Re: Endurance??
>>Message-ID: <357B8E8F.CB779D32@vermilion.reno.nv.us>
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>>
>>Well... I'm not even a newbie. Never done an endurance, LD or CTR in my
>>life (although I'd like to one of these days). But, I have to say... I
>>don't really understand the fuss. It seems quite simple to me:
>>Recognize people/horses for what they DO accomplish as opposed to
>>telling them what they have not accomplished.
>>
>>I guess I'd pretty much feel pissed off or like manure if I finished my
>>first 25 (or even my 20th) and all someone had to say was "yeah, but
>>it's not an ENDURANCE ride". I have done some distance on my own two
>>legs (5 and 10k).... and I was always proud to finish and even prouder
>>when I improved upon myself. It would have been a bit of a slap to hear
>>"great, but it's not a MARATHON". Accomplishments of horses and riders
>>are no less important to individuals who participate in LDs than the
>>accomplishments of those who participate in long distance rides. No one
>>ever compares either positively or negatively runners who excel in the
>>shorter distances (5k, 10k etc)...... why should there be any kind of
>>comparison between "endurance rides" and "limited distance rides".
>>Sure, folks use the LDs as a conditioning and educational tool in
>>preparation for longer distances, just as a marathoner doesn't start out
>>running 26 miles. But, I don't see how that diminishes the
>>accomplishments of those who compete for their entire careers over
>>shorter distances.
>>
>>A 10k competitor is not a "marathoner" any more than an LD rider is an
>>"endurance rider". But each certainly has its place, its roll in the
>>sport in general.... to a degree, one is an extention of the other. "To
>>finish is to win" should be meaningful, important and a goal worth
>>pursuing for the individual regardless of the distance. My first 5k
>>finish was a MAJOR accomplishment for me. My friends and family thought
>>so too. I didn't get an award (nor did I expect one).... but I did get
>>a great T-shirt just for finishing. That meant as much if not more; I
>>wear it with pride. I see the same spirit of appreciation of individual
>>accomplishment in "distance riding". Please don't lose that in pursuit
>>of defining what is and is not "endurance".
>>
>>--
>>Kirsten Price
>>Vermilion Desert Ranch
>>Reno Nevada
>>
>>http://www.eqwi.com/Ads/V/Vermillion/vermilion.htm
>>
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>>End of ridecamp-d Digest V98 Issue #469
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>>
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