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> From: ridecamp-d-request@endurance.net
> To: ridecamp-d@endurance.net
> Subject: ridecamp-d Digest V97 #337
> Date: Thursday, May 15, 1997 6:36 PM
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> ridecamp-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 337
>
> Today's Topics:
> Tevis Cup Survival and Endurance Riding Clinic
> land of enchantment is on after all...
> Re:endurance blood lines
> Re: shortened manes
> Re: Endurance Bloodlines(long)
> Sheldon Mountain ride, Libby Montana
> Re: conditioning and work and family etc
> Horse Trailer FOR SALE
> Arab for Sale
> Re: Endurance Bloodlines
> Medial Sidebone
> Re: conditioning and work and family etc
> Biltmore Ride
> Endurance and Club Foot
> Re:Conditioning, Work, Family, etc
> Re: Endurance Bloodlines
> LAND OF ENCHANTMENT IS DEFINITELY NOT CANCELED
> Re: Endurance and Club Foot
> Thanks Steve
> Re: Bloodlines please continue
> Re: Endurance Bloodlines(long)
> Re: Endurance Bloodlines
> Horse Miles
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 10:03:29 -0700
> From: Stephanie Teeter <step@fsr.com>
> To: "'ridecamp@endurance.net'" <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Subject: Tevis Cup Survival and Endurance Riding Clinic
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hal Hall [SMTP:hall@neworld.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 1997 3:30 PM
> To: Stephanie Teeter
> Subject: Re: Tevis clinic
>
> NEWS RELEASE
>
> May 14, 1997
>
> For Immediate Release
> For more information, contact: Ann or Hal Hall (916.885.1165)
>
> Tevis Cup Survival and Endurance Riding Clinic
>
> AUBURN, California -- An all day endurance riding clinic with tips on
> surviving and succeeding at the Tevis Cup 100 Mile One Day Ride is
> scheduled for Wednesday, July 16, 1997, in Auburn, California, at the
> Gold Country Fairgrounds. The clinic is planned just three-days prior
> to the Tevis Cup Ride where some 250 riders plan to compete. The
> clinic begins at 9:30 AM and includes the following speakers and
> topics:
>
> Becky Hart, International horsewoman and top endurance competitor,
> will discuss tactics and strategy of Tevis Cup event-day competition,
> nutrition and feeding practices during and after the event,
> appropriate riding attire for Tevis, benefits of using a heart-rate
> monitor, the importance of a well-prepared crew, and post-ride care.
> Becky Hart of San Jose, California, is a three-time World Champion and
> two-time Tevis Cup Winner.
>
> Mitch Benson, DVM, Head Veterinarian of the Tevis Cup Veterinary
> Examining Committee and the 1994 - 1996 United States Equestrian Team
> (USET) World Championship Endurance Team Veterinarian, will present a
> veterinary point of view of the Tevis Cup Ride as well as offer advice
> for a successful ride. Dr. Benson maintains a large animal practice
> in Santa Rosa, California, and has served as Chairman of the Tevis Cup
> Veterinary Examining Committee since 1990. Dr. Benson also serves as
> a member of the American Horse Show Association (AHSA) Endurance
> Events Committee.
>
> Kate Riordan, a member of the Board of Governor of the Western States
> Trail Foundation, will provide a demonstration of Tellington Touch
> Equine Aware Method (TTEAM), a holistic method for training and
> healing horsesa, for use and benefit during the Tevis. Kate is the
> editor of the Sierra Heritage Magazine in Auburn, California, and is
> known internationally for her knowledge and practice of message
> therapy in athletic equines.
>
> Donna Synder-Smith, editor of Trail Blazer Magazine and AERC director
> at large, will share with Clinic participants the advantages of
> balanced/centered riding techniques. Donna will offer attendees
> methods to increase riding awareness and give riders exercises and
> techniques applicable for the Tevis Cup Ride. Donna is a author and a
> nationally recognized riding instructor.
>
> Mo Livermore, a member of the Board of Governors of the Western States
> Trail Foundation, will discuss the importance of rider care and
> preparations. Mo is a multi-talented horsewoman and ultra-marathon
> runner. She has completed both the Tevis Cup 100 Mile Ride and the
> Western States 100 Mile Endurance Run. She has also competed in
> numerous Ride & Tie Races and has ridden horseback 1,960 miles over
> the Pony Express Overland Trail from St. Joseph, Missouri to
> Sacramento, California.
>
> Kirt Atkins and Frank Pickell, both experienced farriers of endurance
> horses will discuss topic of shoeing horses competing in the sport of
> long-distance endurance riding. Mr. Atkins is the head farrier at the
> University of California at Davis School of Veterinarian Medicine and
> is owner of Equithotics, Inc., makers of "Sneakers for Horses." Mr.
> Pickell maintains a farrier business catering principally to horses
> competing in long-distance endurance riding. Both have served as
> ride-day farriers for the Tevis Cup event.
>
> Other clinic topics include: The State of the Western States Trail
> and the 1997 Tevis Cup Ride, International Endurance Riding Update,
> The State of Endurance Riding from the American Endurance Ride
> Conference.
>
> All clinic participants are treated to a continental breakfast,
> luncheon, mid-morning and afternoon coffee breaks, and sponsored prize
> drawings and giveaways. Sponsors of the clinic will provide
> participants with a trade show of their endurance related products and
> services. There will be an evening reception and outdoor barbecue
> hosted and sponsored by the Western States Trail Foundation.
>
> The Tevis Cup 100 Mile One Day Ride scheduled for July 19, 1997, and
> is the first and foremost equestrian endurance event of its kind in
> the World. The historic Western States Trail used by the event
> crosses the rugged Sierra Nevada Mountains between Squaw Valley and
> Auburn, California. Competitors are from all over the World as well
> as throughout the United States and Canada. The Tevis Cup Ride is
> celebrating its 43rd Anniversary.
>
> Reservations are being accepted for the clinic and space is limited.
> The cost to attend the clinic is $50. There will be a late
> registration fee after July 10, 1997. For more information and a
> registration packet call: 916.885.1165, or via e-mail on the World
> Wide Web at: hall@neworld.com. Mailing address: 385 Robie Drive
> Auburn, California 95603.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 12:16:38 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Michael K Maul <mmaul@micro.ti.com>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: land of enchantment is on after all...
> Message-Id: <199705151716.MAA13221@jaeger.micro.ti.com>
>
> for those in the SW and close - Land of Enchantment is really back on.
>
> I have verification that while the ride was called in to the aerc
> as canceled - it has been picked up by another ride manager and
> will take place as scheduled.
>
> i am happy to know that people are reading and using the calendar.
> we get as many as 45 accesses a day with over 5500 visitors to
> the top level of the calendar since nov 4, 1996. many of those are
> certainly repeat users but russ and i are glad to see the use.
>
> and i have to check my spelling better in the original announcement
> for typos. enchancement vs enchantment... |-).
>
> mike
> mmaul@micro.ti.com
> houston, tx
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 10:28:30 -0700 (PDT)
> From: squabdog@juno.com]
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re:endurance blood lines
> Message-Id: <199705151728.KAA24685@bluefish.fsr.com>
>
> Mike like I said I think both pedigree and training are important. I
> think they are equally important. You won't have one without the other.
>
>
> To the people that are using the Michael Jordan analogy. the major number
> one flaw in it is that Humans are not being bred for genetic potential. I
> have never heard of people in modern times selecting there mates ( or had
> them picked for them) with the goal to improve the human race genetically
> over time. I have heard of a few people think that they were superior and
> that the world deserved their genes.
>
> in keeping with the analogy though I bet Mr. Jordan will be much better
> at sireing athletes than I will be. I think that humans tend to marry and
> raise kids with someone with similar likes and dislikes. So an athlete
> would more than likely marry another athletes or at least someone
> physically active. Then when the child is growing up the will play games
> with the child a) it is fun for them b) fun for the child c) parent has
> learned that it was their way to succeed and would like for their child
> to have the same opportunity.
>
> So I have made the point that training and conditioning are very
> important. If the genes for the sport are not there then all the training
> will be wasted.
>
> Marc
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 12:41:30 -0500
> From: Cyndi Farson <cyndi.farson@chron.com>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: shortened manes
> Message-ID: <337B4ACA.1CFBAE39@chron.com>
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> >
> > In a message dated 97-05-15 10:11:16 EDT, you write:
> >
> > << Sorry to wander so far off of the subject, but can any of you
Arabian
> > owners answer my stupid question? I've had no luck elsewhere. What is
> > the appropriate mane turnout for Dressage/Hunter classes? I have just
> > purchased a registered Gai Marquis mare who I will be trailing and
> > showing in primarily open shows. Is a pulled short mane acceptable? I
> > have been told to pull it, but others have told me it is frowned upon
to
> > shorten the Arab mane. Help! Any advice would be appreciated.
> > Thank You,
> > Becky A. >>
>
> Becky,
>
> I encourage you to shorten your Arab's mane for hunter and dressage.
> Since the increased popularity of the hunter classes, you see most top
> hunter horses with pulled manes. The IAHA even changed the rule book to
> reflect this popularity, allowing a shortened mane for purebreds showing
> in hunter/show hack/dressage in Arab shows. I am always of the opinion
> that you need to 'look the part' and a shortened, braided mane shows you
> are a 'serious' competitor, IMHO. I shocked my 'Arab' friends when i
> pulled BOTH of my Arabs' manes ;-) -- I showed exclusively in open (all
> breed) dressage competition, winning local/regional and even national
> championships. If you do not know how to do professional-looking
> braids, and don't have someone to do it for you, or show you how, get
> Susan Harris' book on braids and braiding and practice at home before
> you go to a show. I liked the 'button' sew-in type of braids. It always
> took me about an hour, but the braids I used stayed looking nice for
> the course of a 2-day show.
>
> Feel free to e-mail me if you'd like any more info..
>
> cyndi craig farson
> cyndi.farson@chron.com
> donerail farm
> alvin, tx
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 13:09:59 -0500
> From: tina hicks <hickst@puzzler.nichols.com>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Endurance Bloodlines(long)
> Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970515180959.006b2bec@puzzler.nichols.com>
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>
> >The bottom line is one still has to look at the HORSE. Blood will tell,
I
> >believe that, but (just as everyone else has been saying) blood is not
the
> >whole story.
> ==========================================
> Put me down as a non-believer in the worth of Arab bloodlines for
endurance
> :-)) I think any Arab with 4 legs, 2 eyes, 2 ears, etc and good basic
> conformation (which most have I think - Arabians are a pretty uniform
breed
> compared to QH and TB, for example) is an endurance "prospect" (whatever
the
> heck that vague word means <g>) - whether his daddy was Bask or the
little
> Arab stud down the road.
>
> The path from prospect to actual proven endurance horse is a long one
> determined by conditioning/training and lots of luck.
>
> All arabians in my mind have "endurance bloodlines" - heck, this is what
the
> whole breed was basically designed to do - travel long distances at a
> moderate rate of speed.
> Tina Hicks | Huntsville, AL
> Southeast Endurance Riders Association - http://www.hsv.tis.net/~slilly/
> Eastern Time Zone Squad - http://www.hsv.tis.net/~slilly/etzhome.htm
> hickst@nichols.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 12:07:44 -0700
> From: Stephanie Teeter <step@fsr.com>
> To: "'ridecamp@endurance.net'" <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Subject: Sheldon Mountain ride, Libby Montana
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> MaryBeth Alkire asked me to announce some trail info for the
> Sheldon Mountain Endurance Ride - May 26, in Libby, Montana.
>
> The lookout trail (the long steep one that took forever) has been
modified.
> It doesn't go all the way to the top, there is less elevation gain,
> and the trail is better.
>
> Only the 75 and 100 milers will use this trail.
>
> She predicts much faster ride times.
>
> Steph
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 15:13:24 -0400 (EDT)
> From: MARDIP@aol.com
> To: jakar@aiinc.com, truman.prevatt@netsrq.com
> cc: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: conditioning and work and family etc
> Message-ID: <970515151209_550510824@emout09.mail.aol.com>
>
> In a message dated 97-05-15 13:23:14 EDT, ridecamp@endurance.net writes:
>
> << Truman,
> You wouldn't have liked Rich. He wouldn't work and wanted me to
> support him, take care of him, etc. I sent him packing back to his
> mommy. I sure didn't need MORE work just when I was started to live
> life and really ride again!! Hehe!!
> Have a really good day!, Nikki >>
> GREAT answer, Nikki!
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 12:38:20 -0700
> From: Jessica Tuteur <jessicat@napanet.net>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Horse Trailer FOR SALE
> Message-Id: <199705151938.MAA23375@sam.napanet.net>
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>
> 2 horse slant load Circle J, 1991. Good condition, walk in tack room.
>
> Asking $3500./obo
>
> Located in Napa Valley, No. CA
>
> Call (707) 255-3876 or email: jessicat@napanet.net
> *****************************************************************
> Jessica Tuteur, Ride Manager WINE COUNTRY 25/50, June 7, 1997
> J-M Ranch
> 1393 Green valley Rd.
> Napa, CA 94558
> (707) 258-1937 tel & fax
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 12:37:02 -0700
> From: Jessica Tuteur <jessicat@napanet.net>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Arab for Sale
> Message-Id: <199705151937.MAA23175@sam.napanet.net>
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>
> 6 year old arab gelding for sale. Bay, 15hh, ready to do a ride today.
Needs
> experienced rider.
>
> This horse is sweepstakes nominated. Asking $5000 or BEST OFFER
>
> Located in Northern California. Call Nancy (707) 255-3876 or email:
> jessicat@napanet.net
> *****************************************************************
> Jessica Tuteur, Ride Manager WINE COUNTRY 25/50, June 7, 1997
> J-M Ranch
> 1393 Green valley Rd.
> Napa, CA 94558
> (707) 258-1937 tel & fax
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 15:38:26 -0400 (EDT)
> From: KimFue@aol.com
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Endurance Bloodlines
> Message-ID: <970515153817_778083319@emout18.mail.aol.com>
>
> Most people would agree that some bloodlines pass down undesireable
> traits like club feet, crooked legs and parrot mouths...right. Why
wouldn't
> some bloodlines pass on desireable traits that would produce (or should I
say
> would produce if conditioned properly) certain traits that would make a
very
> competitive endurance horse? I don't see how it can only work one way.
> Also, why are those of you out there with mares (retired or resting
> endurance mares) breeding those animals. They must have traits that you
> would like to see passed on in their offspring. If you didn't believe
that
> your mare would pass on something worthwhile, you would go out and buy a
> foal that is already on the ground.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 16:18:31 -0400 (EDT)
> From: khuck@magicnet.net
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Medial Sidebone
> Message-Id: <199705152018.QAA03051@magicnet.magicnet.net>
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>
> Hi,
>
> I'm posting this for a dear friend who has a beautiful chestnut
mule
> who has been diagnosed by the veterinarians at the University of Florida,
> Gainesville, with medial sidebone in her left front foot. There are no
> navicular problems.
>
> The options for treatment at this time are 1) nerving in the
medial
> area only and/or 2) shoes with pads. The shoes with pads alone may not
work
> and thus, the nerving would need to be done with the shoes and pads being
> applied afterward.
>
> My friend would like to know if anyone else out there has
> experienced and been through the same thing and what did course of
treatment
> did you take. Any and all suggestions, comments, etc. would be very
greatly
> appreciated as this is quite a lovely mule who is very near and dear to
her
> owner's heart. Thanks. Kim
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 12:37:17 -0700
> From: nevadaghostridr@webtv.net (L Eisele)
> To: CTRR@aol.com
> Cc: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: conditioning and work and family etc
> Message-Id: <199705151937.MAA19899@mailtod-101.bryant.webtv.net>
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> When I first got into endurance my children were smaller and they
> were ALWAYS my first priority. So I did occasional 25's which was all
> my spare time would allow for. The reason I don't have alot of miles
> racked up over the last 9-10 years.
> Now that both are teenagers and have their own things to do, I have
> the time to train for more 50"s. I just got off work earlier this am
> and had a few hours sleep. Then I'm off to run errands, and a good but
> quick dinner then this evening a 7 mile ride before dark. I am lucky
> enouhg to have places to ride from our house.
> I do about 4-5 rides a year but if things with my family demand my
> attention then I only compete in rides I'm ready for.
> family comes first but also to be fair to the horse, compete only to
> it's level of training...if you have time only for 25's, so be it. They
> are great and you don't have the stress of taking on too much.
>
> That is what is so neat about this sport..you can enter whatever
> distance you want and ride at the speed you want.
> You are an endurance rider whether you ride one 25 a year or do 500
> miles a year.
> Customize to your needs and time. Linda
>
> Linda Eisele & Sareei and
> hubby, Allen and the General
nevadaghostridr@webtv.net
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 15:40:17 -0400
> From: "Helga Loncosky" <hblmh@ptd.net>
> To: "Endurance Net" <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Subject: Biltmore Ride
> Message-Id: <199705151955.MAA29461@fsr.com>
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> I have a friend riding in the Biltmore this weekend, and if you guys can
> keep us all up to date on the results of the ride, I'd really be
thrilled.
> I won't get to see her until Mon, so would have to wait a couple of days
to
> know how everyone did, and how the ride was!
>
> BEACON MORGAN HORSES
> Helga B. Loncosky
> http://home.ptd.net/~hblmh
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 13:51:09 -0600
> From: sallydm@rmci.net (Sally Miller)
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Endurance and Club Foot
> Message-Id: <v01520d00afa1696e895f@[208.14.164.8]>
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>
> I have new (to me) Arab colt that is 11 months old. He is so smart and
is
> loving to learn all the new things I am teaching him. He brain and
> personality are so incredibly COOL I can't believe it (and this is before
> his "brain" surgery that is scheduled for next week...), BUT he has a
club
> foot in the front.
>
> I do not now what the degree is or the difference between the two front
> feet but it diffinately is a club foot. I don't see any other horses at
> this breeder's farm that have any clubs - stud, mare, tons of brothers
and
> sister...nobody.
>
>
> Does anyone compete with a club footed horse? What problems do you have
or
> had?
>
>
>
>
> I have an open agreement with the breeder that he can be "returned" if I
> ever had any problems with him... I am so very bummed about this little
> guy since he is going to make some a very, very nice gelding for showing
or
> pleasure trail since I am doubtful that a horse with a club can compete.
>
>
> Any thoughts would be welcome. sallydm@rmci.net
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 16:52:22 -0400
> From: "Helga Loncosky" <hblmh@ptd.net>
> To: "Endurance Net" <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Subject: Re:Conditioning, Work, Family, etc
> Message-Id: <199705152048.NAA03102@fsr.com>
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> << Truman,
> You wouldn't have liked Rich. He wouldn't work and wanted me to
> support him, take care of him, etc. I sent him packing back to his
> mommy. I sure didn't need MORE work just when I was started to live
> life and really ride again!! Hehe!!
> Have a really good day!, Nikki >>
> GREAT answer, Nikki!>>
>
> Yeah, I had one of those too. Even wanted me to live without my
horses!!!!
> Forever, and make me live in town!!!!!!!:>(( I sent him packing too!
>
> As for how you do it all....... I work a 7 rotaing swing shift, go to
> school for an environmental science degree, take care of home , and help
my
> family out, and still try to fit in my horses. Oh, yeah, friends are in
> there somewhere, when I have time!<G> Nobody said it was easy. But if you
> want something bad enough, you manage to find a way to make it all work.
I
> agree that while your kids are growing up, you've only got that important
> influential time once. Remember Harry Chapin's song Cat's In the
> Cradle...................
>
>
>
> BEACON MORGAN HORSES
> Helga B. Loncosky
> http://home.ptd.net/~hblmh
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 17:11:39 -0400 (EDT)
> From: SandyDSA@aol.com
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Endurance Bloodlines
> Message-ID: <970515170837_-1800832967@emout11.mail.aol.com>
>
> In a message dated 97-05-15 16:30:23 EDT, you write:
>
> << Also, why are those of you out there with mares (retired or resting
> endurance mares) breeding those animals. They must have traits that you
> would like to see passed on in their offspring. If you didn't believe
that
> your mare would pass on something worthwhile, you would go out and buy
a
> foal that is already on the ground.
> >>
> Great place to rest our collective case from the rbeeder's standpoint.
Given
> 1 or 2 opportunities to reproduce, our mares may or may not be bred
again,
> depending upn what they produce. Not necessarily by pedigree alone, but
by
> judicious consideration of strain, we have chosen out horses to
complement
> each other, somcetimes within the straight lines and sometimes not! But
in
> all cases, they are bred or bought with the antiquity of the breed
foremost.
> s
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 17:47:46 EDT
> From: renegade12@juno.com (Randy H Eiland)
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: LAND OF ENCHANTMENT IS DEFINITELY NOT CANCELED
> Message-ID: <19970515.152618.4374.1.renegade12@juno.com>
>
> I am the sanctioning director for the SW Region of AERC. I can state
> with complete certainty that Land of Enchantment is not canceled. It was
> re sanctioned last August and then, Barbara Smith-Ride manager for the
> last 9 or 10 years, asked to cancel the ride as she was burned out,,she
> called it in and I sent Miki a Ride Change canceling the ride, HOWEVER,
> Peggy Graham-McCauley called me and volunteered to take the ride over and
> I agreed and a new Ride Change was done changing the Ride Manager. So,
> the Land Of Enchantment is sanctioned and will be held on August 2, 1997.
> Miki is checking into the database Mike picked up on, but rest assured,
> this ride is on.
>
> Randy Eiland
> SW Region Sanctioning Director
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 17:06:05 -0400 (EDT)
> From: SandyDSA@aol.com
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Endurance and Club Foot
> Message-ID: <970515170506_155122613@emout12.mail.aol.com>
>
> In a message dated 97-05-15 15:54:22 EDT, you write:
>
> << I have an open agreement with the breeder that he can be "returned" if
I
> ever had any problems with him... I am so very bummed about this little
> guy since he is going to make some a very, very nice gelding for showing
or
> pleasure trail since I am doubtful that a horse with a club can compete.
>
>
> Any thoughts would be welcome. sallydm@rmci.net
>
> >>
> Have him vetted. Now. You willl feel better at least, for being informed.
> san
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 16:25:57 -0500
> From: Larry Stewart <lstew@pipeline.com>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Thanks Steve
> Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970515212557.006a59d8@pop.pipeline.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Thanks, Steve, for sharing ride info. from the Middle East.
> Larry Stewart & Kathleen Weickhardt
> Sunnyland Racing Arabians - Racing and breeding stock
> lstew@pipeline.com
> Visit our Web Page at http://www.nashville.net/~troppo/sunyland.htm
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 17:05:25 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Trishmare@aol.com
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Bloodlines please continue
> Message-ID: <970515170313_-631632234@emout10.mail.aol.com>
>
> In a message dated 97-05-15 09:29:22 EDT, you write:
>
> << In France, they believe a lot in the offspring of the russian bred
> stallion Persik and you have to pay big money to buy one of his foal.
> Real or just business? Must inform more to collect real data on the
> record of his offspring. >>
>
> Just anecdotal observation on my part--but American Arabs who trace to
> Russian lines are generally well-built atheletes who excell in endurance
and
> racing---
> Trish & "pretty David" (who is Polish & Russian, with a touch of Egypt
thrown
> in)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 17:04:26 -0400 (EDT)
> From: SandyDSA@aol.com
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Endurance Bloodlines(long)
> Message-ID: <970515170242_-1499579469@emout09.mail.aol.com>
>
> In a message dated 97-05-15 14:05:22 EDT, you write:
>
> << I think any Arab with 4 legs, 2 eyes, 2 ears, etc and good basic
> conformation (which most have I think - Arabians are a pretty uniform
breed
> compared to QH and TB, for example) is an endurance "prospect" (whatever
the
> heck that vague word means <g>) - whether his daddy was Bask or the
little
> Arab stud down the road. >>
> OH my! Perhaps so, if one stays away from the show ring. They all have 4
legs
> and 2 eyes an a tail in the air and so on....and a plethora of pathetic
> conformation totally unsuitable to any athletic endeavor...and this is
being
> propagated through breeders aching for that halter champ. No, just any
> Arabian as described isn't a prospect, IOHO, after 2 decades in the show
> ring, and seeing what it has become. Nevermind the mental aspect of these
> horses. Give me Backyard Barney anyday!
> san
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 17:28:38 -0400
> From: truman.prevatt@netsrq.com (Truman Prevatt)
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Endurance Bloodlines
> Message-Id: <v01540b00afa12c3ca9d0@[198.252.56.82]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Natural selection took care of getting the best and most fit for survial.
> Then man took over. Man is not quite as smart as mother nature and many
> times what translates to "passing on desirable traits" is do so through
> line breeding - which in fact probably passes on more bad traits (through
> rescessive genes) than good traits. One could argue that out breeding of
> healthy well conformed individuals would lead to better athletes than
line
> breeding for good athletes.
>
> A good example of what can happen in a short time is the FL panther. Man
> interfered by cutting down his territory and cutting it off form his
> cousins in the west. 100 years ago the FL pather was a very viable
breed.
> Because of the limiting of the gene pool and the resulting line breeding
> the FL panther is no longer a healthy animal (only about 50 still exist)
-
> in fact most of the native males are sterile.
>
> The only hope is the introduction of outside genes to help improve the
> species! This is being done by bring cougars from Texas.
>
> I think we pay way too much attention to bloodlines. If I see a horse
with
> a lot of the same blood on his papers I am skeptical of what recessive
> bombs are lying in wait.
>
> Truman
>
>
>
> Truman Prevatt
> Mystic "The Horse form Hell" Storm with a lille hellion on the way
> Danson "Deamon in Training" Flame
> Sarasota, FL
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 15 May 97 21:59:04 UT
> From: "Connie Hoge" <pvtevt@msn.com>
> To: "Endurance Net" <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Subject: Horse Miles
> Message-Id: <UPMAIL07.199705152201220791@msn.com>
>
> Am at work, so no AERC book in hand - do LD miles count toward total
mileage
> awards?
>
> Thanks
> Connie H.
>
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