Re: ridecamp-d Digest V01 #89

[Anne Ness <nessranch@brainerd.net>]

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> ridecamp-d Digest                               Volume 01 : Issue 89
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> Today's Topics:
>   RC: Re: RE: RE: Sneakers              [ "Robyn Levash" <questarabians@inrea ]
>   RC: Bad Knees                         [ "Colleen Kirkpatirck" <polaristhewo ]
>   RC: Re: cross breeds                  [ "Michelle Fink" <michrowe@redwrench ]
>   RC: Re: cross breeds                  [ "Karen Sullivan" <greymare@jps.net> ]
>   RC: How much End. costs               [ Merryben@aol.com ]
>   RC: Re: Fire and Brimstone and Fire   [ "Mieske" <mmieske@netonecom.net> ]
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> Subject: RC: Re: RE: RE: Sneakers
> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 23:22:49 -0800
> From: "Robyn Levash" <questarabians@inreach.com>
> To: "Michael Sherrell" <grizzlyan@mindspring.com>
> CC: <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Sherrell <grizzlyan@mindspring.com>
> To: <guest@endurance.net>; 'Ridecamp' <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 8:00 AM
> Subject: RC: RE: RE: Sneakers
> 
> > How do they last compared to iron shoes on gravel/rock?
> >
> Amazingly they wear different on different horses. One of my older geldings
> just used to pound the ground. My other mare lightly floats down the trail.
> The gelding would wear the Sneakers out in about 3-4 weeks while the mare I
> could usually get by with a reset. Average wear time for her about 6 weeks.
> I found both horses moved much more short strided with them. My mare
> developed severe contracted heels. These shoes are far too rigid and do not
> allow the heels to expand. One thing that I noticed is that the toes wear
> down to nothing in no time and you are left with the horse running in REALLY
> high heels. These high heels tip the coffin bone downward pushing into the
> sensitive laminae of the toe. It's kinda like wearing women's high heels.
> What pain! After a while, because all the force of the foot is being placed
> on the front toes it just plain hurts and you just cannot wait to get the
> darned things off. It is the same principle to the horse, although much more
> horrible consequences are the result such as laminitis etc. Also, the soles
> of the feet and frog cannot touch the ground natually which is so vital to
> have maximum circulation in the horses feet/ legs.
>  I highly recommend saving your money. They are a pain in the neck to put
> on, very time consuming, and most importantly they offer no benefical
> function to the horse's foot. Good Luck!
> Robyn
> My horses have been happily barefootin' it the past six months and moving
> better than ever!
> Robyn
> 
> > ----------
> > From: guest@endurance.net[SMTP:guest@endurance.net]
> > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 2:40 PM
> > To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> > Subject: RC:  RE: Sneakers
> >
> > Melinda melinda@equithotics.com
> > To Steph and Ridecamp: A recent posting on ridecamp was brought to my
> > attention and I would like to request a chance to comment on some
> statements
> > made about Sneakers for Horses horseshoes. Sneakers are a wide web shoe
> with
> > a pad on the ground surface and were designed for hard, dry, tough going.
> > They help to reduce the concussion on the horse's hoof and legs. They do
> not
> > have an edge like a rim shoe so in other conditions, such as slick grass,
> > for more traction there are numerous methods available to modify the shoes
> > for added traction. Traction in mud is an individual issue. If you are
> > riding in deep mud then you are probably not looking for concussion
> > absorption.
> >      Sneakers are about the same thickness as many shoes and pads at about
> > 1/2 or so depending on the size. As the horse steps down onto the hoof's
> > weightbearing phase it has been shown that the pad material can compress
> 2mm
> > at the trot. The shoes use the same farrier tools and techniques that have
> > been in use for centuries. If a horse happens to lose a shoe, as can
> happen
> > with any shoe, it is not a problem to put an easyboot or other hoof
> > protection on the shoeless foot until a shoe can be reapplied.
> >      Over the ten years that the Sneakers have been available, most of the
> > top endurance races around the world have included horses winning, winning
> > BC, placing in the ten or just "finishing to win" with Sneakers. What one
> > needs to remember is that the Sneakers are another tool available to
> riders
> > to use or not to use to help their horses. It is entirely an individual
> > choice for that horse and rider combination. Thank you for giving me the
> > opportunity to express another side of the story. And out on your trail
> > adventures, when you see that tell tale funny horseshoe pattern in the
> dirt,
> > you will know that another endurance horse wearing Sneakers has been
> hitting
> > the trail in comfort over all those endurance miles.
> > Thank you. Sincerely, Melinda Balint
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Subject: RC: Bad Knees
> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:11:50 -0800
> From: "Colleen Kirkpatirck" <polaristhewonderhorse@hotmail.com>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> 
> Hello everyone,
> I have read the posting on knee injurys well I have weak knees
> as well from rideing so much.
> I then bought some EZ ride stirrups they have helped allot.
> My knees like to make squeaking sounds still but at least
> I am not as bothered by them.
> Are knee problems common among horse people or is it just me?
> 
> Colleen K.
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> Subject: RC: Re: cross breeds
> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 19:26:26 -0700
> From: "Michelle Fink" <michrowe@redwrench.com>
> To: "Amber Applegate" <ldbklmas@uswest.net>, <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> 
> The infamously unreliable book Heavenly Gaits talks about the genetics
> of gait.  There are supposedly two gait genes:  one is a gene that
> dictates whether the horse is a trotter or a pacer, the other gene is
> a modifier and says how gaited the horse is...  So a horse can be a
> strong trotter, or a weak trotter, strong pacer, etc.  If a horse is a
> weak trotter, it may do intermediate gaits of some sort.  What that
> boils down to is there are lots of variables in determining whether
> your foal will be gaited or not, and it's really not too predictable.
> This makes sense to me since there is such a huge variation in how
> well gaited horses "gait", and it also explains why some non-gaited
> breeds, like Arabs, can have gaited individuals and family lines.
> 
> So has anyone else heard about the genetics of gait?  I wouldn't mind
> owning a gaited half Arab myself.  :-)
> 
> Michelle
> (Colorado)
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> Subject: RC: Re: cross breeds
> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 20:03:14 -0800
> From: "Karen Sullivan" <greymare@jps.net>
> To: "Amber Applegate" <ldbklmas@uswest.net>
> CC: <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> 
> Here is another opinion........having owned a Foxtrotter that gaited
> nicely, but tripped and fell down randomly, I came to appreciate the
> athleticism and surefootedness of the Arabian........my first and
> formost requirement is a horse that doesn't fall down with me if there
> are any rocks in the road. I did not find the Foxtroters to be very
> surefooted, despite breed propaganda.  I had also been told that when
> buying Walkers, to be careful and not buy ones that had only been on
> flat ground, or naturally had low action.
> 
> I talked to a lot of folks (including folks that did Tevis on
> walkers)  One claimed that her walkerj ust bulldozed through the
> rocks, flinging them to the side.  One man said he had found a breeder
> that had Walkers that picked up their feet.........Truman may have
> opinons on this also, haveing successfully competed on a TWH.
> 
> From all this info, I came to REALLY appreciate the trot!!  The trot
> is a very balanced, stable gait.
> 
> I currently own a Walker/arab cross.  Thank goodness she DOESN't gait,
> that she has a good solid trot!
> 
> I'm sure you all have contrary info......this is just my experience. I
> am not sure that crossing a gaited breed with a trotting breed is such
> a great idea!  The main benefit of of my mare (walker/arab), was a
> larger size horse with great bone........but then she has cooling
> problems....
> 
> I am convinced that the best all around endurance horse is the pure
> Arab and I own 3 half arabs!
> 
> Karen
> 
>      ----- Original Message -----
>      From: Amber Applegate
>      To: guest@endurance.net
>      Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 5:07 PM
>      Subject: RC: cross breeds
> 
>      I am ready to have my Arabian Mare foal to a Missouri
>      Foxtrotter. I bred for this cross because I like to do
>      endurance riding, have never been in a race, but would like
>      to. I am a baby boomer (sounds so much kinder than to say I
>      am over 50) with lots of past surgeries and broken bones. I
>      love both breeds, and now that I have had the pure pleasure
>      of the MFT's gait, I am hoping to bring the best of both
>      worlds to the endurance.
>      I have had people tell me that there is no gait with the
>      cross (actually only one person) to others, several that
>      have said that there is definitely a gait that is much
>      smoother than a hard trot. MFT's were also bred for
>      endurance and they have such a willing and gentle
>      disposition.
>      My question is, Has anyone had any experience in endurance
>      riding with this type of cross?  My mare is due in Mid
>      March.
>      amber
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> Subject: RC: How much End. costs
> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 21:58:42 EST
> From: Merryben@aol.com
> To: rides2far@juno.com, ridecamp@endurance.net
> 
> Well, since I usually only read my own column, Garlinghouse's stuff
> and the
> ride results, I just hadn't read this yet.  Angie you are right.  It
> is not
> very realistic.  Actually, I did laugh out loud a few times......
>  While I
> think Sneakers are fine, I do not have them on any of my horses.
>  Trilby's
> horses all have over 6,000 miles and she does not use Sneakers.  Nor
> do I
> give my horses any of the glucosamine feeds.  I do give my navicular
> horse
> Adequan once a month and he has been sound for 2 years now.  Of
> course, he
> hasn't done another ride yet.  mb
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> Subject: RC: Re: Fire and Brimstone and Fire Mt!
> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 08:04:06 -0500
> From: "Mieske" <mmieske@netonecom.net>
> To: "Louise Burton" <firedancefarms@prodigy.net>, <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> 
> ÿþ<
hi there, there has been some discussion on knees and the pain. i use a
strap/roll type thing that is called CHO-PAT,  i've purchased it in drug
store. it snug fits just below the knee cap. for me it was HEAVEN SENT,
i too have multiple problems. body may not be falling apart, but yu
could fool me. i use every thing i can find to soften the concution(sp)
to my body knees back and whatever, p. s. I live in mn and the sno is
still here. yu lucky riders in the warm zones do one for me, anne aerc
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