RE: RE: RE: Flair Nasal strips

["Bob Morris" <bobmorris@rmci.net>]

<<<Bob... you didn't say, do you have an opinion??? :)>>>>


Me? An opinion? Never! Just read what the rule says, it is quite specific!

Bob Morris

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Swope-Attardi [mailto:Nagzarus@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 10:39 PM
To: Bob Morris; Teddy Lancaster
Cc: Tivers@aol.com; milamj@agtelco.com; ridecamp@endurance.net
Subject: RC: RE: RE: Flair Nasal strips


Well, guys, very true that you cannot test for nasal strips, so the nasal
strips would not violate Rule 13.  But, I took Bob up on his suggestion to
check rule Number 13a.  As read here, my own personal interpretation is that
nasal strips would indeed be a violation of this particular rule.   At the
very least, I must believe that nasal strips would violate the section
stating: "endurance equines must compete entirely on their natural ability."
And, I'm no medical professional, but if the tissues within the nasal
passages are considered osseous, then the strips would definitely fall under
an "osseous manipulative procedure." Additionally, I must wonder if the
nasal strips do not stimulate "response points."

I'm not judging the right or wrong of nasal strips here, but the thing about
it is that they are a pretty obvious *tool* strapped to the nose of a horse.
I think before riders start using them, we should be darned sure they aren't
a violation of AERC rules.  Some well-meaning but unfortunate competitor
could well end up with an protest filed against them for using them.

Bob... you didn't say, do you have an opinion??? :)

13. The integrity of Endurance Competition requires that the equine is not
influenced by any drug, medication or veterinary treatment. Endurance
equines must compete entirely on their natural ability. AERC prohibits from
competition equines who contain evidence of the administration of abnormal
substances or of normal substances in abnormal amounts (exogenously
administered compounds even if normally found endogenously). Since the
complete effects of such administration cannot be known, the fairness and
safety require the prohibition of such practices.
13a. The use of additional therapies during competition shall be prohibited.
This shall include any invasive procedures, (e.g.: acupuncture),
manipulative procedures, (e.g.: osseous manipulative procedures), the use of
any devices to manipulate or stimulate accupressure or response points,
(e.g.: Bioscans, laser lights, magnetic stimulation devices etc).
Competition shall mean the time from the pre-ride veterinary examination to
the completion of the final veterinary examination for the event, including
the best-condition judging. Multiple day rides shall be treated as they have
been determined by AERC -- either individual day events or one event if so
designated.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Morris [mailto:bobmorris@rmci.net]
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 5:28 PM
To: Teddy Lancaster; Susan Swope-Attardi
Cc: Tivers@aol.com; milamj@agtelco.com; ridecamp@endurance.net
Subject: RE: RE: Flair Nasal strips


Read 13a. and make your own decision!

Bob Morris

-----Original Message-----
From: Teddy Lancaster [mailto:Teddy@runningbear.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 6:08 PM
To: Susan Swope-Attardi
Cc: Tivers@aol.com; milamj@agtelco.com; ridecamp@endurance.net
Subject: RC: RE: Flair Nasal strips


Cannot "test" for them.......

teddy

Susan Swope-Attardi wrote:

> Not sure if this has been addressed or not, but would not the nasal strips
> fall under the "drug" ruling?  They surely must be considered performance
> altering.  Seems to me that if electrical massage therapy falls under this
> kind of ruling that the nasal strips would.  Simply curious.
>
> Susan Swope-Attardi
> AERC Southeast Region
> Kentucky
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tivers@aol.com [mailto:Tivers@aol.com]
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 8:55 PM
> To: milamj@agtelco.com; ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: RC: Flair Nasal strips
>
> In a message dated 7/10/00 6:28:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> milamj@agtelco.com writes:
>
> << Anyone use these things at a race?
>
>  My last ride was fairly fast and my horse was blowing a lot while
>  cantering and was wondering if these things would keep him from doing
>  that and help him breathe easier. ----If I kept him at a trot more he
>  wouldn't be blowing either. It'd probably be cheaper if I kept him at a
>  trot more too.
>
>  Thanx for the input
>
>  Susan & Fly Bye >>
>
> We've used them in Abu Dhabi. Impression from the riders was that they
> helped. No significant changes in performance, that I could see, though. I
> don't think they'll stop a horse from blowing after hard effort.
>
> ti
>
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