deworming program

[TddWil@aol.com]

I tried this deworming program. I used cheaper brands if available. 6 horses 
went thru the whole cycle (others were sold, etc) . 3 looked good and 3 
looked a little thin w/ rough coats. Now they look much better on less feed. 
Sorry I don't have any real data, but the program made sense to me by 
rotating thru the diff chemicals, so I tried it. The Quest comes last so you 
don't have a massive kill off of worms that kills your horse. I had only been 
using ivermectin so I'm sure worms were being missed.

                                         Shelly in DE
    

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Re: panacur 2x/5days

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To: RockingB@worldnet.att.net 
Subject: Re: panacur 2x/5days 
From: Dolly Miller <poquito@flash.net> 
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 22:02:40 -0600 
CC: Ridecamp <ridecamp@endurance.net> 
Organization: Poquito Ranch Arabians 

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Susan, 
I just received this from a Dr. that is a parasitologist major. I have been 
finding out all I can about encysted larvae because my new horse that I had 
for 3 mo. died from these and prior worm damage. I was told that he had been 
wormed regular. 
Dolly 
    Basic Information About Worming Products

    1.  The biggest problem we have with larval migration is with
        the small strongyles - the large strongyles do not migrate.
        The small ones encyste and cause problems.
    2.  Strongid C does not get the encysted larvae. It only kills
        the ones that the horse ingests, and this is only for
        approximatley 8 hours per 24 hours dose period. Strongid C
        also leads to resistance.   It is useful for some
        applications- see below.
    3.  Ivermection does not kill encysted larvae.
    4.  Quest and Panacur do kill encysted larvae, if used
        appropriately.   Use in a horse that has not had regular
        worming programs can be fatal due to massive kill off.
        Also, with these wormers, do NOT overdose- use
        only the amount of paste appropriate for your horses weight.
    5.  The best program is one of rotating products ( chemical
        names, not brand names ) every 6-8 weeks, with a product
        to kill encysted larvae in the spring and in the fall-
        see below under regular maintenance.


    Yearly Regimen

    Feb. 1, an ivermectin product ( Zimectrin, Equimectrin
    April 1, 5 days straight with panacur ( to kill encysted
    larvae ). this needs to be given between March 15 and April 15
    for this part of the country.
    June 1, strongid paste
    August 1, ivermectin
    October 1, Quest 2 days in a row. This needs to be given
    between Sept, 15 and Oct. 15
    December 1, strongid


    Regimen for a new horse whose worming history is unknown,
    no matter how good he may look:

    1.  Strongid C daily, as directed on carton, for 2 weeks continuosley.
        This will kill off some of the more  susceptible worms, and reduce
        the kill off in the next stages.
    2.  After this, at the end of second week, give Panacur paste.
    3.  Two weeks later, use an ivermectin product.
    4.  One month after that, use Quest ( one dose only ).
    5.  Then start the year;y regimen.


    Regimen for a horse that has been rotation wormed with
    alternating ivermectin and strongid products over a long
    period of time.

    1.  One dose of Panacur.
    2.  One month later, another dose of Panacur.
    3.  One month later, give Panacure 5 days in a row.
    4.  One month later, use one dose of Quest.
    5.  Then start yearly regimen.


    The inportance of following these regimens:

    All above regimens are designed to reduce the number
    of the parasites in the horse so that when you give the strong
    wormers that will get the encysted larvae, that you will not
    cause such a massive kill off that you make the horse ill,
    or at worse, kill the horse.  There is a  syndrome called
   " winter syndrone",  which occurs when you use a strong wormer
   on a horse with a history ( known to you or not ) of inadequate
   control of encysted parasites.This is part of why Quest has gotton
   bad press.  What happens, is that the kill off is more than the
   horse can handle, and he becomes ill with colic like symptoms,
   including inflammatory lesions in the intestinal tract.  It is not
   the wormer itself that kill the horse, it is the kill off.
   If you start slowly on a new horse or one with inadequate control
   of encysted parasites, then you reduce the kill off, and can
   develop an effective preventive anti-parasite program.



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