Re: Newbie query: why required weight?

[Trishmare@aol.com]

Dear All,
     I'm not a researcher, nor do I have any "statistics" with which I can
attempt to prove or disprove anything on this issue (what was it Mark Twain
wrote, "there are three kinds of lies; lies, damned lies, and statistics?"
<G>), but I do have this much; I love to hike nearly as much as I love to
ride.  Sometimes I think I like to hike even more than I like to ride.  Horses
can be a hassle.  Anyway, any hiker who has carried a backpack over distance
and terrain will tell you . . . the WEIGHT of that backpack sure DOES make a
big difference . . .
     Of course, this is not a statistic, but rather, personal experience, so
it is doubtless irrelevant to the discussion and proves exactly nothing.  Ah
well, guess if I ever get the chance to endurance my horse I might just as
well use a big old 70 lb western saddle, along with all the equipment I can
carry (never know what one might need out there . . . I've got a huge old cast
iron skillet, just in case I want to fry an egg for lunch), as a cutback
endurance model and minimal equipment.  After all, it ain't gonna make the
slightest difference to the horse, is it?

Trish Marie
Grand Blanc, MI


<< Subj:	 Re: Newbie query:  why required weight?
 Date:	98-09-04 09:54:25 EDT
 From:	fmechelh@c-s-k.de (Frank Mechelhoff)
 To:	katswig@deltanet.com (K S Swigart)
 CC:	ridecamp@endurance.net (Endurance List), suendavid@worldnet.att.net
(suendavid@worldnet.att.net), WSAbg@t-online.de (Wolfgang Schwingenheuer)
 
 K S Swigart wrote:
 
 > > I must vehemently disagree with you. Weight carried by a horse,
 > > especially over long distances has been proven over and over again to be
 > > a MAJOR decided factor in the outcome of ANY race.
 >
 > Show me the statitics.  The only studies I have ever seen where anybody
 > actually tried to figure out what the effect of weight carried had on
 > outcome of an endurance competition came to the statistical conclusion
 > that weight of the rider (and all its tack) is "insignificant."
 
 Susan G wrote:
 
 > Teddy, I have to agree with Kathy---it has NOT been shown in any
 > research project that weight makes a difference, especially over a long
 > distance.  There's only been ONE empirical research study that ever
 > looked at weight-carrying ability in endurance horses and that was
 > mine.  I've looked at over 600 endurance horses now and the statistics
 > are crystal-clear that weight makes NO difference to completion rate,
 > finishing time, or in pulled horses, how far they went before they were
 > pulled.  If the study weren't published, it would still be just my
 > opinion---but it's been dragged over the coals by a whole lot of
 > extremely nit-picking researchers that dearly love to find mistakes and
 > they all agreed with the conclusions.  WEIGHT IS NOT A FACTOR AT
 > SUB-ANAEROBIC SPEEDS.
 >
 I have to disagree on both.
 
 There is a study of DVM Chris Pollit (Australia) some 4-5 yrs. ago, on
 endurance horses. He compared not the results of rides but the haert rates of
 horses with medium weight vs. heavy weight rider. the graphics pointed out
 higher working HR of the horse with heavyweight rider. this means the horse
 with the heavyweight rider has to do more work compared to the same horse,
the
 same speed but a lightweight rider.
 
 even if the horse with the higher workload is at higher risk at competition,
 this need not result in measurable failure results necessarily, as Susan's
 study at Tevis Cup showed. (why ? perhaps because the heavy-weight carrying
 horse is *trained* better, to live with this workload).
 
 if you go on a big trip with your horse and add 60 pds. of equipment to the
 usual weight of rider and saddle, you will learn the difference quickly. it
 will slow you down at least 1/3. although there is a difference between
 'living' and 'dead' weight, you can't discuss it away.
 
 
 ...the lines in the "minimum weight" discussion are always very clear:
 heavyweights are pro, lightweights contra. it happens that this determined
 their view of hard facts. (just joking)
 
 regards
 Frank Mechelhoff (Germany) >>