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helmet replacement
I just read an article in this month's Equus magazine that stated that most
manufacturers recommend that riders return helmets after a fall for
inspection even if no damage is visible. They go on to recommend that even
if no falls have occurred that helmets be replaced every five years. They
attribute this to environmental factors (heat and direct sunlight can
weaken the plastic) but even with good care the materials in the helmet
lining (polystyrene) tend to break down over time.
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> From: ridecamp-d-request@endurance.net
> To: ridecamp-d@endurance.net
> Subject: ridecamp-d Digest V98 #425
> Date: Thursday, May 21, 1998 7:12 PM
>
> ------------------------------
>
> ridecamp-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 425
>
> Today's Topics:
> Re: Crash Test [ Cynthia Eyler
<eyler@mindspring.com ]
> Helmet Replacement [ Cynthia Eyler
<eyler@mindspring.com ]
> Re: Helmet Replacement [ "Stephanie Wind"
<wind@visionsofthe ]
> Re: BIG FEET!! [ "Judy A. Worley"
<aussie@aa.net> ]
> Helmet replacement [ flemmerl@rcbhsc.wvu.edu
(Flemmer, L ]
> Scott's Flat 11th & over et al [ guest@endurance.net ]
> Re: AERC Bylaws Suggestions [ CMKSAGEHIL <CMKSAGEHIL@aol.com>
]
> Re: Yearbook [ CMKSAGEHIL <CMKSAGEHIL@aol.com>
]
> chiroprater [ lawson@htcomp.net (Nicki
Lawson) ]
> Re: Crash Test [ Cathy Pritchett
<danugna@teleport.c ]
> saddle fit [ Anastasia Hurley
<ahurley@cncx.com> ]
> Re: AERC Bylaws Suggestions [ "Robert Morris"
<bobmorris@rmci.net ]
> Bonds Street Saddle [ Kimberly Price
<PLOUGH1@ix.netcom.c ]
> http://www.horsemall.com/ [ Kimberly Price
<PLOUGH1@ix.netcom.c ]
> Re: AERC Bylaws Suggestions [ Ramey Peticolas-Stroud
<ramey@wvi.c ]
> Re: AERC Bylaws Suggestions [ Ramey Peticolas-Stroud
<ramey@wvi.c ]
> RE: Crash Test-long [ "Field, Shannon"
<Shannon.Field@all ]
> Kurfurst for sale [ "Stephanie Wind"
<wind@visionsofthe ]
> Yearbook [ "Karen Steenhof"
<steenhof@cyberhig ]
> Bits/Hackamores [ Cynthia Eyler
<eyler@mindspring.com ]
> Re: AERC Bylaws Suggestions [ "Robert Morris"
<bobmorris@rmci.net ]
> navicular disease? [ Zebella <zebella@idt.net> ]
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 11:51:49 -0400
> From: Cynthia Eyler <eyler@mindspring.com>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Crash Test
> Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980521115149.006903f0@pop.mindspring.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Roger,
>
> I can sympathize -- but I'm only dealing with a partial rotator cuff tear
> and a broken rib. I need to think about that one-armed mount, though.
>
> My gelding didn't take off, though he's very barn sour just now after a
six
> month layoff. I tried walking along beside him, but I was having trouble
> breathing and started to see colors and stars. So I caught the reins
> through the velcro band I'd looped around the pommel (so that, if he's
> looking for food while I'm on the ground, the reins won't fall down over
> his head), grabbed my water bottle, and sent him off to the barn -- he
> didn't need a lot of encouragement.
>
> My first broken bone, my first experience with a volunteer fire/rescue
> unit, my first ride in an ambulance (no screaming sirens, just
> transportation to the ER).
>
> Cindy Eyler
> Baltimore MD
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 12:25:44 -0400
> From: Cynthia Eyler <eyler@mindspring.com>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Helmet Replacement
> Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980521122544.006903f0@pop.mindspring.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> How many minor-to-moderate hits to a helmet are okay before it should be
> traded in for a new one?
>
> (I know this isn't endurance-related, Steph, but these are the people
who's
> knowledge and experience I trust.)
>
> Cindy Eyler
> Baltimore MD
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 09:34:40 -0700
> From: "Stephanie Wind" <wind@visionsofthewind.com>
> To: <ridecamp@endurance.net>, "Cynthia Eyler" <eyler@mindspring.com>
> Subject: Re: Helmet Replacement
> Message-Id: <199805211625.MAA01623@www.mailserver.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
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>
> ONE!!!!!! Dont' take chances!!!!
>
> ----------
> > From: Cynthia Eyler <eyler@mindspring.com>
> > To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> > Subject: Helmet Replacement
> > Date: Thursday, May 21, 1998 9:25 AM
> >
> > How many minor-to-moderate hits to a helmet are okay before it should
be
> > traded in for a new one?
> >
> > (I know this isn't endurance-related, Steph, but these are the people
> who's
> > knowledge and experience I trust.)
> >
> > Cindy Eyler
> > Baltimore MD
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 09:48:45 -0700
> From: "Judy A. Worley" <aussie@aa.net>
> To: "Angie Orr" <aorr@GPS.com>, "Ridecamp (E-mail)"
<ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Subject: Re: BIG FEET!!
> Message-ID: <01bd84d8$51cf89c0$704f7dce@koala>
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> I was told by a packer , that they like big feet for stability, and they
> don't sink into the mud as deep as a smaller foot. The horses only walk.
> Anyway, that's the good side. Judy Worley
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Angie Orr <aorr@GPS.com>
> To: Ridecamp (E-mail) <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 1998 12:48 PM
> Subject: BIG FEET!!
>
>
> >I have been riding an Appaloosa gelding that has the biggest feet I have
> >ever seen. They are just big and flat. Anyone have any ideas on what
> >affects this could have on his ability to run endurance or LD rides? I
> >took him on a CTR and he hadn't really had much conditioning. We
> >completed but, I don't think we got very good scores. Of course I
> >haven't ever done a CTR and don't really know what criteria they go by.
> >Anyways, one of the judges said that he trotted out like he was on wet
> >pavement whatever that's supposed to mean. I figure it wasn't a
> >compliment!! Other than looking huge, there doesn't seem to be any
> >soundness problems although they did deduct 8 points for lameness. Any
> >ideas...
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Angie
> >
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 12:52:53 -0400
> From: flemmerl@rcbhsc.wvu.edu (Flemmer, Linda)
> To: eyler@mindspring.com, ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Helmet replacement
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> Cindy,
>
> With multiple (or even one) hit, the helmet can develop micro cracks
> that reduce it's ability to absorb the shock & protect your head. You
> cannot visually see these injuries to the helmet!
>
> Troxel and Lexington offers a replacement at a reduced cost. (Troxel
> used to be free!) From there standpoint, they don't want to be blamed
> if the helmet fails for this type of reason. I'm not sure if there are
> any other helmet makers out there who have this type of offer. Does
> anybody else know?
>
> There is also a recommendation that the helmet be replaced every 5 yrs
> as the foam liner that absorbs shock breaksdown over time with exposure
> to heat & light. Raise your hands, ridecampers -- who bought there
> helmet before 1993 and haven't replaced it yet?
>
> Something to think about.
>
> Linda Flemmer
>
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> Cindy,
>
> <P>With multiple (or even one) hit, the helmet can develop micro cracks
> that reduce it's ability to absorb the shock & protect your
head.
> You cannot visually see these injuries to the helmet!
>
> <P>Troxel and Lexington offers a replacement at a reduced cost.
(Troxel
> <B>used</B> to be free!) From there standpoint, they don't want to
> be blamed if the helmet fails for this type of reason. I'm not sure
> if there are any other helmet makers out there who have this type of
offer.
> Does anybody else know?
> <BR><BR>
> There is also a recommendation that the helmet be replaced every 5 yrs
> as the foam liner that absorbs shock breaksdown over time with exposure
> to heat & light. Raise your hands, ridecampers -- who bought
> there helmet before 1993 and haven't replaced it yet?
>
> <P>Something to think about.
>
> <P>Linda Flemmer</HTML>
>
> --------------9791DDB5E38EF567ACA6E208--
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 10:01:10 -0700 (PDT)
> From: guest@endurance.net
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Scott's Flat 11th & over et al
> Message-Id: <199805211701.KAA20522@fsr.com>
>
> PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO GUEST@ENDURANCE.NET!!!
> You must post replies to the actual sender listed below.
>
> From: Jayne Brooks-Trainor
> Email: jaynet@mail2.quiknet.com
>
> Please be sure there was no slight intended! The delay in sending more
> complete results of the ride, which I apologize for, is purely a time and
> equipment problem. As I can't afford the email time required to be a
> subscriber to ridecamp directly, the only avenue for corresponding that I
have
> is this format. As far as I know it doesn't have the ability to attach a
file or
> copy from another source. If anyone knows differently, I would appreciate
> some suggestions. To send this message, I am trying hard carriage
returns.
> I am only a volunteer for the ride, posting to ridecamp as a favor to the
ride
> manager. She provided me with the 50 mile finishing list only(in a hard
copy
> format) which I haven't had time so far to enter into MS word or excel(no
scanner). I will make every attempt to get this done today. The rest of the
ride results will be delivered to all via the traditional methods. Please
don't
> take offense when I caution everyone to be patient and understanding with
> ride managers and their volunteers, lest we have increasingly fewer rides
> to enjoy...
> Jayne.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 14:20:59 EDT
> From: CMKSAGEHIL <CMKSAGEHIL@aol.com>
> To: truman.prevatt@netsrq.com, ramey@wvi.com, ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: AERC Bylaws Suggestions
> Message-ID: <4514d8ac.3564708c@aol.com>
> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
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>
> In a message dated 98-05-20 23:09:19 EDT, truman.prevatt@netsrq.com
writes:
>
> << Just because someone thinks it is a good idea doesn't mean a by-law
change.
> If it is a big problem then maybe it needs fixed but if it is not we
> should not be fixing it. I would like the data so I can make an
informed
> decision. I think the membership deserves no less.
> >>
>
> Just for the record, Truman, in all the rides I have vetted over the
years, I
> have seen very few 5-year-olds asked to do 100's, and no problems with
those
> that have. I see far more problems overall on the shorter distances, and
far
> more problems when young horses are asked to go too fast rather than to
go
> farther.
>
> Heidi Smith, DVM
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 14:25:33 EDT
> From: CMKSAGEHIL <CMKSAGEHIL@aol.com>
> To: truman.prevatt@netsrq.com, ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Yearbook
> Message-ID: <243c8b2d.3564719f@aol.com>
> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
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>
> In a message dated 98-05-20 23:37:49 EDT, truman.prevatt@netsrq.com
writes:
>
> << Welcome to the information age. It is much easier to maintain data
bases
> and develop new database application if not two varmits have the same
> number. >>
>
> Alas, my old stallion Surrabu had a distinctly individual number, as does
his
> son Abu Ben Surrabu, who has competed frequently the past few years. For
over
> three years, and despite MANY calls and letters, the office staff would
> actually CHANGE the entry information and "correct" the number for Abu
Ben
> Surrabu and enter his rides under his sire's record! As a veterinarian,
I
> have never been successful in resurrecting a dead horse, but the AERC
office
> sure can! A couple of times they actually DELETED the younger stallion's
> number from their records, assuming that there was a duplication. It was
very
> frustrating to never see him listed as earning his mileage
> medallions--although I asked, they never went back and printed him in the
> newsletter after they corrected his records.
>
> Heidi Smith, DVM--Sagehill Arabians (Oregon)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 14:14:36 -0500
> From: lawson@htcomp.net (Nicki Lawson)
> To: <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Subject: chiroprater
> Message-ID: <19980521191720347.AAA428@nicki.htcomp.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
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>
> Does anyone know of a good horse chiroprater(sp?) in the Centeral Texas
> region.? Somewhere near Waco?
>
> I would also like to thank everyone who wrote about Red foundering.
> Just want you all to know he seems to be doing fine? We have him
> in heart bars for the time being. Also on hoof supplements, There
> is no lameness at this time, but of course keeping a careful eye on
> him. Thanks Nicki L.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 00:54:55 -0700
> From: Cathy Pritchett <danugna@teleport.com>
> To: <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Subject: Re: Crash Test
> Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980522005448.00690498@mail.teleport.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Roger,
>
> Glad you're okay! Not fun, I know. The only serious injuries I have
ever
> had coming off of a horse were precipitated by an out of control dog in
the
> back of a pick up. Don't know who was more frightened by the sight of
this
> large animal lunging at us. The physical injuries healed okay, but since
I
> hadn't been able to get right back up on the horse and ride, I found
myself
> afraid of a horse for the first time in my life. I've been riding for
over
> 40 years and it took me by shock. That was 5 years ago and I have worked
> through it pretty well, but, I have to admit, I am a different rider now.
> Can't say enough for helmets though, I am a firm believer in them, feel
> naked when I don't have one on. Hope you heal quickly.
>
> Cathy in SW Oregon
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 12:50:03 -0700
> From: Anastasia Hurley <ahurley@cncx.com>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: saddle fit
> Message-ID: <649CE0F9849AD111BA6C00805FEA50693FF267@nosferatu.cncx.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;
> charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> There are a couple of interesting articles on the equine back and saddle
> fit at
>
> http://www.thehorse.com/index.html <http://www.thehorse.com/index.html>
>
> Stasia
> Elvis - " el jefe"
> Bingo - the baby - that did very well this weekend, riding out in
> company
> e =ahurley@cncx.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 12:45:01 -0600
> From: "Robert Morris" <bobmorris@rmci.net>
> To: <ramey@wvi.com>
> Cc: <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Subject: Re: AERC Bylaws Suggestions
> Message-Id: <199805212008.NAA06761@fsr.com>
>
> Ramey:
> <<<Is it your suggestion that this issue be deleted from the bylaws and
> > only appear in AERC rules?>>>>
>
> It is my suggestion that those desiring this change present it to the
AERC
> Rules Committee in the proper form as prescribed by the AERC Procedures
> with supporting documentation and/or data. The wheels of change (or no
> change) can then grind along in the proper manner.
>
> Bob Morris
> Morris Endurance Enterprises
> Boise, ID
>
> ----------
> > From: Ramey Peticolas-Stroud <ramey@wvi.com>
> > To: bobmorris@rmci.net
> > Cc: ridecamp@endurance.net
> > Subject: Re: AERC Bylaws Suggestions
> > Date: Thursday, May 21, 1998 9:29 AM
> >
> > Thanks for the input, Bob. A minimum age for horses in endurance
> > competition is already in the AERC Bylaws at Article V. Also,
> > California statutes control this issue and we use Robert's Rule as a
> > guidline.
> >
> > Is it your suggestion that this issue be deleted from the bylaws and
> > only appear in AERC rules?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Ramey
> >
> > Robert Morris wrote:
> > >
> > > Ramey:
> > >
> > > You stated:
> > >
> > > <<<This is the time to address any other Article and Bylaw issues.
For
> > > example, there is a motion before the Board to require 100 mile
horses
> > > to be a minimum of 72 months old at the time of competition. We are
> > > also drafting language which will allow the Board to meet and vote
over
> > > the Internet to reduce administrative expense.>>>
> > >
> > > In referring to Robert's Rules of Order we find the following
comment;
> "The
> > > contents of a society's bylaws has important bearing on the rights
and
> > > duties of members within the organization ... and on the degree to
> which
> > > the general membership is to retain control of , or be relieved of
> detailed
> > > concern with, the society's business".
> > >
> > > I do not see where any "rule" concerning the age for competition of
> horses
> > > in 100 mile rides has any place in the bylaws.
> > >
> > > It would seem that a full review of the RROO chapter on bylaws is in
> order
> > > for the committee if it is considering such an item to be included.
My
> "not
> > > so humble opinion" is that the AERC Rules and Regulations is the
proper
> > > place for things like this. Bylaws are for the control of
> organizational
> > > functions and the Rules and Regulations are for the control of the
> events
> > > conducted by that organization.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 13:06:52 -0700
> From: Kimberly Price <PLOUGH1@ix.netcom.com>
> To: "ridecamp@endurance.net" <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Subject: Bonds Street Saddle
> Message-ID: <3564895B.6AD9A616@ix.netcom.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
> Hi!
>
> Anyone hear of or used this saddle? It has an adjustable tree and
> panels. Comments or concerns? I'll be trying one out in a few weeks
> and any input is appreciated.
>
> Happy riding!
> Kimberly (&Mystery the Morab)
> Black Mountain Ranch, Pt.Reyes, CA
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 13:07:45 -0700
> From: Kimberly Price <PLOUGH1@ix.netcom.com>
> To: "ridecamp@endurance.net" <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Subject: http://www.horsemall.com/
> Message-ID: <35648991.C8D67B13@ix.netcom.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
> oops, for got to send the url for this saddle information. (Bonds
> Street) Check it out!
> http://www.horsemall.com/
> Kimberly
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 13:46:08 -0700
> From: Ramey Peticolas-Stroud <ramey@wvi.com>
> To: CMKSAGEHIL <CMKSAGEHIL@aol.com>
> CC: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: AERC Bylaws Suggestions
> Message-ID: <35649277.66A7@wvi.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
> Assuming the members approve the proposed internet voting provision in
> the Bylaws, it would only go into effect at such time as all directors
> could reasonably participate.
>
> To add the ability to use technology as it becomes available would save
> the expense of a future vote in that we already need go through a change
> process to meet IRS requirements. We are trying to think "ahaed" to
> save money.
>
> One last thought. Any meeting of the Board of Directors requires proper
> notice and the opportunity for all directors to participate. This is
> California Law.
>
> Ramey
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 14:02:36 -0700
> From: Ramey Peticolas-Stroud <ramey@wvi.com>
> To: bobmorris@rmci.net
> CC: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: AERC Bylaws Suggestions
> Message-ID: <3564964F.10A5@wvi.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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>
> Your references are some what outdated. Actually Bylaws are within the
> province of the Bylaws Committee. Maybe that's why they named it so.
>
> After receiving input, the Bylaws committee will make a full report to
> other committees and Directors so they can make an informed decision.
> Eventually AERC members are given the opportunity to review the pros and
> cons, then vote their opinion. That's the way it works, Bob, it's
> called democracy.
>
> Ramey
>
> Robert Morris wrote:
> >
> > Ramey:
> > <<<Is it your suggestion that this issue be deleted from the bylaws and
> > > only appear in AERC rules?>>>>
> >
> > It is my suggestion that those desiring this change present it to the
AERC
> > Rules Committee in the proper form as prescribed by the AERC Procedures
> > with supporting documentation and/or data. The wheels of change (or no
> > change) can then grind along in the proper manner.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 14:21:00 -0700
> From: "Field, Shannon" <Shannon.Field@alliedsignal.com>
> To: "'ridecamp'" <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Subject: RE: Crash Test-long
> Message-Id:
<c=US%a=_%p=ALLIED%l=ALLIED/NAAERO1/0002D9B4@tmpcn541.wins.allied.com>
>
> I sympathize with Roger's "dog" incident. I have not had the misfortune
> of falling off from dealing with barking and/or running dogs but have
> been surprised so suddenly that I hadn't time to react properly to
> protect myself and my horse. The most recent incident involved two dogs
> running full speed at my riding partner and I as we were doing one of
> our regular rides on public land. The owner did nothing but yell,
> "They'll only bark!"
> The more I think about her irresponsibility, the angrier I get. My
> friend had the foresight to keep turning her mare to face the dogs, as
> dogs will sometimes back off at apparent confrontation from a large
> animal, and the horse then has full view of the scary situation, rather
> than shying because it's coming from behind or underneath. The dogs
> went straight for the back of my horse's legs, and being as sweet as he
> is, he was nervous but remained collected. He lifted one leg as if to
> kick and held it there but never did it. I now wish he had planted a
> blow on one of them. I am a dog owner and love my animal but always
> have him under control.
> People who own dogs must be better educated about the potential dangers
> of mixing a natural predator and prey animal. It would have been so
> easy for those dogs to take a bite out of my horse's tendon, and that
> would be it. Or, worse yet, one or both of our horses may have freaked
> so badly that someone could get severely hurt or killed. That woman
> would then be liable for all of it -- simply because she chose not to be
> responsible. Wondering what others have done to avert potentially
> disastrous situations with dogs and their irresponsible owners.
> I'll save my bellyaching about drivers for later. Suffice it to say
> that I'll never look at moving vehicles of any kind the same way after
> seeing the Horse Whisperer.
>
> Shannon & Mistik
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 15:34:10 -0700
> From: "Stephanie Wind" <wind@visionsofthewind.com>
> To: <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Subject: Kurfurst for sale
> Message-Id: <199805212225.SAA10489@www.mailserver.net>
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>
> I have an 18" black Kurfurst Von Bayern endurance saddle for sale. This
> saddle is in
> excellent condition. Pictures of this style of saddle can be seen at
> http://www.horsemall.com/courbette/pg45.html where they retail new for
> about $1400. I am asking $1000 o.b.o. for mine and would like to sell it
> fairly quickly. I also have a Courbette Merkur close contact saddle for
> sale. This one is a 17 1/2" dark brown with all the fittings and full
cheek
> snaffle bridle. The whole set is like new - $850 o.b.o. You can call me
at
> 520-296-4625(home) or 520-799-7631(work) or send e-mail to
> wind@visionsofthewind.com
>
> Stephanie Wind McCray
> Tucson, AZ
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 17:40:00 -0600
> From: "Karen Steenhof" <steenhof@cyberhighway.net>
> To: <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Subject: Yearbook
> Message-ID: <005e01bd8511$c6d18500$bc09a1d1@newmicronpc>
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>
> I guess my suggestion of printing only horses with 1000+ miles in the
> yearbook wasn't too popular. Still I'm concerned that the horses with
1000+
> miles are getting buried in the lists by all the horses with less than
1000
> miles. The purpose of the 1000 mile horse program is to recognize horses
> with 1000+ miles. How about putting the 1000+ miles in bold to give them
> the recognition they deserve? Then special lists for the horses with
5000+
> miles? Plus a web site where you could retrieve any info you want by
year,
> region, miles, or alphabetically by horse or rider.
>
> Karen Steenhof
> Boise, Idaho
> steenhof@cyberhighway.net
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 20:07:30 -0400
> From: Cynthia Eyler <eyler@mindspring.com>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Bits/Hackamores
> Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980521200730.0068f0f4@pop.mindspring.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> What kinds of bits/hackamores do people use for a horse that generally
does
> not require a lot of control? And why?
>
> A friend has told me that hackamores are better for endurance horses
> because they can eat on the trail without having a bit get in the way
> (though the snaffle I use never seems to get in my gelding's way <g>).
>
> Can anyone recommend a good source of information about the purpose and
> action of various kinds of bits?
>
> Cindy Eyler
> Baltimore MD
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:55:35 -0600
> From: "Robert Morris" <bobmorris@rmci.net>
> To: <ramey@wvi.com>
> Cc: <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Subject: Re: AERC Bylaws Suggestions
> Message-Id: <199805220019.RAA02401@fsr.com>
>
> Ramey:
>
> You have me confused! You asked<<<Is it your suggestion that this issue
be
> deleted from the bylaws and only appear in AERC rules?>>>>
>
> So I referenced the procedure for putting it in the Rules as an
indication
> as to where the issue should be.
>
> You replied <<<Your references are some what outdated. Actually Bylaws
are
> within the
> province of the Bylaws Committee. Maybe that's why they named it
so.>>>>
>
> Has the procedure for establishing rules been changed???
>
> As for the by-laws Committee, when did this come into existence and how
> does its charter and operating procedures read?? I can find no reference
> to this committee in the AERC News Committee listing, even though the
Board
> Minutes of January 25, 1998 indicate the appointment of a chair. Who is
on
> this committee?? It is very difficult for the membership to function as
an
> informed body when the necessary information is not forthcoming. Further
it
> is not in the committee's best interest to operate in a vacuum with
minimal
> input from the members.
>
> Bob Morris
> Morris Endurance Enterprises
> Boise, ID
>
> ----------
> > From: Ramey Peticolas-Stroud <ramey@wvi.com>
> > To: bobmorris@rmci.net
> > Cc: ridecamp@endurance.net
> > Subject: Re: AERC Bylaws Suggestions
> > Date: Thursday, May 21, 1998 3:02 PM
> >
> > Your references are some what outdated. Actually Bylaws are within the
> > province of the Bylaws Committee. Maybe that's why they named it so.
> >
> > After receiving input, the Bylaws committee will make a full report to
> > other committees and Directors so they can make an informed decision.
> > Eventually AERC members are given the opportunity to review the pros
and
> > cons, then vote their opinion. That's the way it works, Bob, it's
> > called democracy.
> >
> > Ramey
> >
> > Robert Morris wrote:
> > >
> > > Ramey:
> > > <<<Is it your suggestion that this issue be deleted from the bylaws
and
> > > > only appear in AERC rules?>>>>
> > >
> > > It is my suggestion that those desiring this change present it to the
> AERC
> > > Rules Committee in the proper form as prescribed by the AERC
Procedures
> > > with supporting documentation and/or data. The wheels of change (or
no
> > > change) can then grind along in the proper manner.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 17:28:21 -0700
> From: Zebella <zebella@idt.net>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: navicular disease?
> Message-ID: <3564C6A5.21DA@idt.net>
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>
> Well, here's the low down on ol' Pro....
>
> last fall we found a bone chip in the fetlock, he did 2 30's and seemed
> fine, till about 2 weeks after the last one. It's been several months
> now that he's been ever so *slightly* off....
>
> Took him in today, and they did a full set of foot xrays....the vet
> thinks it could possibly be navicular, which he says is pretty rare in
> arabs.....seems he has lots of holes in the bone...
>
> They will do a bone scan tommorow, shoulder to hoof, and then we will
> know for sure....vet says if it shows nothing, that's good, and he
> probably only has sore heels....don't I hope!
>
> Just curious, anyone ever managed to get a navicular (cross my fingers
> that it isn't) horse back to endurance? I know that I have heard of
> several nerved horses competing. My surgeon didn't sound too keen on
> the nerving thing...
>
> Ah well, nothing to do but fret about it till I get the results on Sat
> morning, just hoping to hear some success stories from someone.....
>
> tracy
>
> --------------------------------
> End of ridecamp-d Digest V98 Issue #425
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