RE: Bask-bred endurance horses

["Corry, Lynda H." <lcorry@velaw.com>]

	OK, Susan.  You may pass "Go" and collect your $200.  We can
always use the toilet paper at home, anyway!  HA!

Lynda Corry & Baskhari
lcorry@velaw.com

> ----------
> From: 	Susan Evans
> Garlinghouse[SMTP:suendavid@worldnet.att.net]
> Reply To: 	suendavid@worldnet.att.net
> Sent: 	Tuesday, March 17, 1998 2:26 PM
> To: 	Corry, Lynda H.
> Cc: 	'spencer'; ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: 	Re: Bask-bred endurance horses
> 
> Oops, I'd forgotten this regional-reference may not be understood
> throughout the country.  Sorry.  Out here in California, the majority
> of
> the horses bought for slaughter are shipped to Palestine, TX.  It
> wasn't
> meant as a suggestion that we just dump our trashy horses onto Texans
> cuz them good old boys dunt know no better.<g>  Out here, especially
> at
> the cheap sales, there are always a group of poor, old, broken down
> creatures that are obviously "on their way to Texas", specifically to
> the USDA slaughterhouse there.  The other way it's used around here is
> if someone is being an all-around bad boy (or girl), then we start
> muttering darkly about "taking a trip to Texas", or "one-way tickets
> to
> Palestine".
> 
> Sorry for the confusion.
> 
> And, by the way, I agree with the comment that the pendulum can swing
> pretty widely both ways in ANY bloodline, Bask or no.  I just happen
> to
> have seen an awful lot of Bask-bred mares come through Cal Poly on
> their
> way to being bred to Bask-bred stallions, with dozens and dozens and
> dozens of Bask-bred babies being dropped the next spring.  And
> although
> this has just as much to do with other factors as it does to Bask
> blood,
> there were maybe three I would have been willing to take home with me.
> 
> And the Lasma mares that came from LaCroix at a very, very, VERY high
> price weren't worth the powder to blow them up, though they sure did
> look pretty on paper.
> 
> Anyway, just another .02, of course.
> 
> Susan Garlinghouse
> 
> 
> Corry, Lynda H. wrote:
> > 
> >         Hmm-mm-mmm ... yes, what IS this in reference to?  (Sounds
> like
> > we could get some mileage on this one, Mary Ann -- forget about the
> gun
> > control stuff!)  Rules of "The Game" allow for one good rebuttal,
> and
> > then we come toilet-paper your house, Susan.
> > (Ha ha -- just kidding!)
> > 
> > Lynda Corry & Baskhari
> > (Texas Transplants)
> > lcorry@velaw.com
> > 
> > > ----------
> > > From:         spencer[SMTP:spencer@inu.net]
> > > Sent:         Tuesday, March 17, 1998 1:32 PM
> > > To:   Corry, Lynda H.
> > > Subject:      Re: Bask-bred endurance horses
> > >
> > > Re: "going on the truck to Texas.."
> > > Just what are you refering to!!  Sounds like the 'trashy' Arabs
> were
> > > dumped into Texas.  So does that mean that we have trashy arabs in
> > > Texas!!
> > >
> > > Mary Ann
> > > Zavalla, Tx
> > >
> > > ----------
> > > From: Corry, Lynda H. <lcorry@velaw.com>
> > > To: 'suendavid@worldnet.att.net'
> > > Cc: 'Ridecamp' <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> > > Subject: RE: Bask-bred endurance horses
> > > Date: Tuesday, March 17, 1998 1:16 PM
> > >
> > >       Hiya back, Susan!  I'm definitely not a breeder and it
> sounds
> > > like you have some first-hand knowledge, but perhaps because of
> the
> > > "breeding frenzy of the '80's" (and perhaps due to "back yard
> > > breeding"
> > > efforts as well), I think the pendulum for any Arab bloodline can
> > > swing
> > > in both directions.  Agreed?  You can find good performers and bad
> > > performers out there in spite of the pedigree.  In fact, my
> ten-year
> > > veteran was never registered and his father, EW Sabask, was bred
> to an
> > > unknown (at least by me) mare named Risha Khari that I never laid
> eyes
> > > on (that's about all I know of Baskhari's background).  So
> Baskhari,
> > > therefore, could very well have been "back yard bred" as well.
> > > Doesn't
> > > bother me -- whatever his lineage, I couldn't have asked for a
> better
> > > horse with a better disposition.  Now, I'm curious -- how many of
> you
> > > out there have good horses with Bask in the pedigree?
> > >
> > >
> > > > ----------
> > > > From:       Susan Evans
> > > > Garlinghouse[SMTP:suendavid@worldnet.att.net]
> > > > Reply To:   suendavid@worldnet.att.net
> > > > Sent:       Tuesday, March 17, 1998 12:52 PM
> > > > To:         Corry, Lynda H.
> > > > Cc:         'Ridecamp'
> > > > Subject:    Bask-bred endurance horses
> > > >
> > > > Corry, Lynda H. wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >         I just wanted to pitch in my two cents worth regarding
> > > Bask
> > > > > horses as well ... Baskhari is my first and only endurance
> horse,
> > > > and we
> > > > > just recently had our "ten year anniversary" together.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cookie Hickstein wrote:
> > > >  Where did you ever hear to stay away from Bask bred arabs for
> > > > endurance? My husbands Bask bred gelding is going on 4000 miles
> this
> > > > year, my gelding is bask/Witez II bred and we love the
> bloodline!
> > > My
> > > > son as a junior rider put over 2000 miles on his Bask/witezII
> > > gelding.
> > > >
> > > > They all have wonderful recoveries and do very well.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hiya,
> > > > This is absolutely not meant as criticism against all Bask
> horses,
> > > but
> > > > IMHO, if ever there were a line of horses that needed to be
> judged
> > > on
> > > > individual merits and not simply because of their pedigrees,
> this is
> > > > the
> > > > one.  Gene LaCroix is a member of the Kellogg Foundation and
> without
> > > > getting into particulars, let's just say I am NOT impressed with
> the
> > > > level of integrity and honesty he has displayed (and I'm no
> > > pollyanna,
> > > > either).  I used to be a member of the advisory panel and it was
> > > very
> > > > well-known that Gene LaCroix would have allowed Bask to breed to
> a
> > > > schnauzer if the check would clear.
> > > >
> > > > Again, this is absolutely not a flame against Bask horses---the
> only
> > > > point I'm trying to make is that LaCroix used Bask like his own
> > > > personal
> > > > ATM/sperm bank, exhibited zero selection when mares were brought
> to
> > > > Bask, and for every good Bask-bred horse, there are dozens of
> pieces
> > > > of
> > > > garbage, many of whom were also allowed to breed on because Bask
> was
> > > > holier than holy and everybody was frantically breeding
> pedigrees
> > > back
> > > > then instead of horses.
> > > >
> > > > I admit that one of the most athletic horses I ever knew was by
> a
> > > Bask
> > > > son, and I would have killed to own that horse.  And obviously
> there
> > > > are
> > > > other good Bask-bred horses out there doing very well---I guess
> I'm
> > > > just
> > > > not quite so ready to lay the credit solely at Bask's door,
> instead
> > > of
> > > > the dam lines, the upbringing, the rider, etc.  I've certainly
> > > handled
> > > > an awful lot of Bask-bred babies at Cal Poly and liked very few
> of
> > > > them
> > > > (as endurance prospects, anyway), but that's another story.  I
> also
> > > > turned down free breedings to Reign On, considered one of Bask's
> > > > "better" sons, and I've seen a ton of truly nasty-looking,
> > > over-priced
> > > > horses whose only salvation from going on the truck to Texas was
> a
> > > > pedigree that said Bask.  Let's just say the Bask pendulum can
> swing
> > > > pretty widely in BOTH directions.
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, this really sounds like I'm trashing all Bask horses and
> I
> > > > don't
> > > > mean to.  My only point is that if I were looking at an
> endurance
> > > > prospect, and Bask was in the pedigree, I sure would do back
> flips
> > > > making sure that the mare(s) Bask was bred to was truly worth
> > > > breeding,
> > > > and that the offspring was also true breeding quality, not just
> a
> > > > by-product of the breeding frenzy of the '80's.
> > > >
> > > > That old saying, "you can't ride the papers" was never more true
> > > than
> > > > when applied to Bask.
> > > >
> > > > Just my .02 of course.
> > > >
> > > > Susan Garlinghouse
> > > >
> > >
> > >
>