Re: Sanctioniong of AERC Rides

["Robert Morris" <bobmorris@rmci.net>]

Linda:

First, it is not very good policy to take sections of our rules out of
context. You quoted ">11.8 A ride offering any single prize valued in excess
of $1000, with the exception of futurities and other contributory schemes
supported by an organization recognized by the AERC, shall engage an AERC
steward to monitor the event and shall pay the steward's expenses."

Realize the key words " with the exception of futurities and other
contributory schemes supported by an organization recognized by the AERC, "
This rule pertains to futurities and contributory schemes and not to rides
in general. It was instituted to accommodate the IAHA Nominated Sire
Sweepstakes.

I contend, while there is nothing prohibiting Competitive Trail Rides in the
AERC Rules,  there is nothing prohibiting Pleasure Rides. Also there is
nothing in the Rules assuring the CTR rides or any other type of rides will
have controls comparable to those required by the AERC.

Now I offer the following. If CTR Rides are allowed, why would not the
riding for mileage as promoted and recorded by the IAHA (and incidentally
other breed organizations) be considered allowable?

And by the way, do not introduce the insurance argument. Locally we conduct
a Tri-athelon (Run, Bike and Horse) using the same type of insurance. We
have no problem, not being sanctioned by a National Organization.

You also state; "CTR rides are sanctioned with controls which should
>avoid this kind of problem from happening."

I see no methodology with in the AERC Rules to assure this is so. What
method does the AERC Office use to determine that the CTR ride is sanctioned
or is just a ride put on under the CTR concept.

You ended with; "Perhaps this is the policy you seek, Bob.  Would you like
to submit a proposal?"

I have a number of proposals in the works right now with the Rules Committee
pertaining to this situation so one more will not hurt the scheme of things.
I would propose that any ride put on in conjunction with an AERC Endurance
Ride require sanctioning by a Nationally Recognized Organization approved by
the AERC Board of Directors. Said approval being based upon Board acceptance
of the Organization's petition for recognizance. Ride Management to furnish
"other than AERC sanctioning approval" to the AERC Office with ride results.


Bob Morris
Morris Endurance Enterprises
Boise, ID
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Date: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: Sanctioniong of AERC Rides


>
>On Wed, 9 Dec 1998 07:45:01 -0700 "Robert Morris" <bobmorris@rmci.net>
>writes:
>>
>>I have been following the discussions of the new Limited Distance =
>>definition of rides 0 to 49 miles in length. I have noticed that
>>several =
>>Ride Managers have mentioned that rather than put on LD rides in =
>>conjunction with their regular Endurance ride they are considering
>>going =
>>to the CTR format and thus circumvent the AERC fees.=20
>>
>>Please explain to me how this circumvention fits into the AERC Rules
>>and =
>>Regulations  while a non sanctioned "Pleasure Ride" does not. I have =
>>perused the AERC Rule Book and can find no reference to such a
>>situation =
>>and in fact do not find any direct mention of CTR's at all. Nor do I =
>>find any mention of the AERC accepting the sanctioning of any thing =
>>other than "Endurance Rides" and "Limited Distance Rides".
>>
>
>Bob,
>
>AERC does not accept sanctioning of CTR's as AERC events.  But, that does
>not preclude managers from holding rides concurrently, which are
>sanctioned by organizations other than AERC.  AMF it happens on occasion
>as mentioned in rule:
>
>11.8 A ride offering any single prize valued in excess of $1000, with the
>     exception of futurities and other contributory schemes supported by
>an
>     organization recognized by the AERC, shall engage an AERC steward to
>     monitor the event and shall pay the steward's expenses.
>
>Key words here are " supported by an organization recognized by the
>AERC".  This would imply we recognize control by other organizations.
>FEI, AHSA, IAHA come to mind.
>
>
>>Would it not then be in contravention of AERC Rules and Regulations if
>>=
>>the UMECTRA Group continues to hold their joint endurance and CTR
>>rides =
>>under the same venue? Would it not then be in contravention of AERC =
>>Rules and Regulations if the several Ride Managers, I have heard
>>express =
>>the intent to hold CTR's, also do this?
>>
>>If I am incorrect in my assumption please direct me to the pertinent =
>>sections of the AERC Rules and Regulations, the AERC By-laws and or
>>the =
>>AERC Articles of Incorporation. Realize also, these three documents
>>are =
>>the only governing items for our organization. Ride Manager's
>>Handbooks =
>>and other such policies are not governing documents.If rides under
>>other =
>>venues, such as CTR, are to be allowed, then the supporting documents
>>=
>>must be changed.>
>
>Why?   AERC does not say this is inconsistent or unacceptable.
>
>The reason AERC proposed to count 0-49 miles as LD was to make sure rides
>other than 25-35 were following some kind of rules and not being run as
>some kind of demolition derby with no Vet control.  This was to keep AERC
>(and horses) safe from the legal fall-out (or human stupidity) of these
>potential disasters.  CTR rides are sanctioned with controls which should
>avoid this kind of problem from happening.  If RM's want to sanction in
>an organization other than AERC, as long as AERC recognizes that
>organization, why not?
>
>Now, question is, where is that list of organization's AERC recognizes.
>Perhaps this is the policy you seek, Bob.  Would you like to submit a
>proposal?
>
>Linda Van Ceylon
>AERC Mountain Region
>Sanctioning Director
>
>
>
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